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Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by carlosjobim »

debazel wrote: post #219
carlosjobim wrote: post #181

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Because people can get a login. If the best quality result is behind a login and a paywall, I still want it to be the first result. Only quality should decide ranking.

Please do tell how to get an X account? It instantly locked my account after registration and I have several friends have the same issue. I would much prefer if Google just stopped showing inaccessible information completely.

I have no idea, I've never used X or Twitter. But apparently millions do, so it is not inaccessible.

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Post by 1234letshaveatw »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #310
1234letshaveatw wrote: post #302

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They are going to hold out the rest of trumps term over a hypothetical? Sounds insane

Anyone who's invested enough to attention to the budget fight knows that it's not a hypothetical. Trump has killed a number of programs and departments that were funded by previous CRs, and has explicitly promised to continue doing so. I know you know this isn't true, but I don't understand what you think it accomplishes to lie, other than to further radicalize people against Trumpism.

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Post by almosthere »

CaptWillard wrote: post #278
mapontosevenths wrote: post #264

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I am a messenger, and it turns out I've got some bad news as well. My contention is that this kind of emotional appeal has been exploited to the point of (quickly) diminishing returns. People are scratching the surface and following the money. Those who used such maudlin tactics to protect money laundering, war mongering and such things would do well to go and sin no more, lest more serious consequences come knocking…

I think specifically these NGOs were run by board members that ran 10 other NGOs all called "Save the children Africa" etc... And the weird thing about it, is that no children were actually being saved. Instead the money went to ActBlue through a few actors.

Mr Beast has done more for Saving the Children in Africa with $5m than USAID has done with $500b per year.

Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by hunter2_ »

mk89 wrote: post #68

What about links to malware or other illegal content that will be downloaded without me clicking on it...? Is it only in the app, or also with the browser? Crazy.

> also with the browser

Browsers have been doing this forever: you make a request to a server (A) that you choose to interact with, and it could respond with various things (a redirect, a page with a meta refresh, a page with a frame / iframe, etc.) that result in your browser automatically making a request (and rendering the resulting page response) to some other server (B) that could get you in trouble.

However, in this classic scenario, when A starts sending you to B, you stop trusting A. This is simple when A's behavior is entirely determined by A's owner. What if it's determined by other users (not just A's owner)? Typically, A would be careful to not serve a redirect (etc.) based on user input, as that would be considered an "open redirect" vulnerability (with an exception for link shorteners, I guess). Interesting how the webview preloading that we're discussing now commits essentially this same offense.

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Post by carlosjobim »

mrbombastic wrote: post #251
carlosjobim wrote: post #181

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Because people can get a login. If the best quality result is behind a login and a paywall, I still want it to be the first result. Only quality should decide ranking.

Openness and accessibility should absolutely be factors in ranking, otherwise where does it end? I dk what twitter requires these days, maybe an email, password and a couple more fields, what if a site starts doing id verification? What if accounts require a subscription? What if all the best content on the first page of your search results is behind a paywall with 3 easy payments of $299

It ends with you paying for information. If I need some information and it is only available behind a paywall, then I'll pay for it or I didn't need it anyway.

Google is doing the correct thing in not discriminating against content which is paid or behind login walls. Some of the most important content are on social media, and most of them only serve logged in users.

If you want to decide yourself how search results are presented to you, you should try Kagi for a search engine.

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Post by almosthere »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #287
CaptWillard wrote: post #280

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Is it untrue? You failed to address my point. Children are being left to die. SOMETHING is more important than that to the proponents of these policies. What is it? If it's lower taxes... they aren't achieving that goal. Taxes are only decreasing for the top 0.1% of the population and tip earners. If it's to lower the national debt that also isn't working. The national debt has increased at record rates. Is there som…

Don't let them die then. Go help save them. Give money to Mr Beast, he's done more for Children dying in Africa than all of USAID's $500B per year.

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Post by jandrese »

Quitschquat wrote: post #237

I don’t know what everyone gets out of Twitter/X. I signed up recently to see what the fuss is about, I think I selected science and music as starting interests. Within 10 minutes I was getting lots of right wing borderline Nazi bullshit. Tries it all again in incognito mode. Roughly same thing. WTF

First rule of Twitter is avoid the algorithm at all costs. The trolls have long since figured it out and now if the algorithm is involved you are going to see white supremacist talking points nonstop.

Second rule of Twitter is why are you on Twitter, it's a full on Nazi bar now.

The "following" feed that mostly shows you content from people you have explicitly followed is better, although the site really likes to swap back to the algorithmic "for you" feed whenever you aren't paying attention. However, even the following feed will still have the troll responses on most posts. You really can't avoid them on Twitter.

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Post by bko »

itsoktocry wrote: post #205

I've been a long-time Twitter user. I don't hate Elon, so when he bought it I was cautiously optimistic. I deactivated last week. The platform is bad and getting worse. It's scammy and spammy. Everything is designed around garbage engagement, so that the X team can brag about how good the product is doing.

What is garbage engagement?

I think its entirely reasonable that an algorithm shows you things that you engaged with. It would be weird if it didn't promoted stuff I didn't engage w/.

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Post by afavour »

CaptWillard wrote: post #292
mapontosevenths wrote: post #287

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Is it untrue? You failed to address my point. Children are being left to die. SOMETHING is more important than that to the proponents of these policies. What is it? If it's lower taxes... they aren't achieving that goal. Taxes are only decreasing for the top 0.1% of the population and tip earners. If it's to lower the national debt that also isn't working. The national debt has increased at record rates. Is there som…

The most important goal IMO is to expose and weaken the misguided use and expansion of "soft power" in my name, with my tax dollars and without my consent. Ironically, one of the consistent outcomes is starving and dying children. They're just delivered asynchronously and from the "wrong" side of the ledger.

As I said in my original comment, even if you disagree with the concept of USAID and want to shut it down you ramp it down over time to allow for replacements. Doing it immediately has an absolutely negligible effect on your tax dollars (putting aside the fact it’s a rounding error at best anyway) and is a deliberate choice to inflict suffering on innocent people.

The government decided to let food they’d already paid for rot while people starved. Twist yourself into a pretzel to defend that if you wish but I won’t be joining you.

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Post by mapontosevenths »

mapontosevenths wrote: post #297
CaptWillard wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am a messenger, and it turns out I've got some bad news as well. My contention is that this kind of emotional appeal has been exploited to the point of (quickly) diminishing returns. People are scratching the surface and following the money. Those who used such maudlin tactics to protect money laundering, war mongering and such things would do well to go and sin no more, lest more serious consequences come knocking…

> this kind of emotional appeal It is not an emotional appeal. It is a statement of objective and provable fact that cutting off funding for food resulted in people not having food. It's also obvious that this would be the result. The grandparent posted a link to one study. There are others if you do a quick search. > People are scratching the surface and following the money. Those who used such maudlin tactics to pr…

I googled it. It turns out there are ton of wacky conspiracy theories about USAID, and that's largely where Musk got his ideas. I had no idea.

It's a wild world we live-in when internet conspiracies can kill actual children.

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