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This week in 1988, Robert Morris unleashed his eponymous worm

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Re: This week in 1988, Robert Morris unleashed his eponymous worm

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post #6

It's a little shocking to me that there haven't been more things like this. While we're much more conscientious and better at security than we were way back then, things are certainly not totally secure. The best answer I have is the same as what a bio professor told me once about designer plagues: it hasn't happened because nobody's done it. The capability is out there, and the vulnerability is out there. (Someone w…

After things like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_(computer_worm)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL_Slammer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasser_(computer_worm)

Bill Gates sent out the "Trusted Computing" memo to harden Windows and make it somewhat secure.

Essentially, Windows used to be trivial to exploit, in that Every single service was by default exposed to the web, full of very trivial buffer overflows that dovetailed nicely into remote code execution.

Since then, Windows has stopped exposing everything to the internet by default and added a firewall, fixed most buffer overflows in entry points of these services, and made it substantially harder to turn most vulnerabilities into the kind of remote code execution you would use to make simple worms.

>better at security than we were way back then

In some ways this is dramatically understated. Now the majority of malware comes from getting people to click on links, targeted attacks that drop it, piggyback riding in on infected downloads, and other forms of just getting the victim to run your code. Worms and botnets are either something you "Willingly" install through "free" VPNs, or target absolutely broken and insecure routers.

The days where simply plugging a computer into the internet would result in you immediately trying to infect 100 other computers with no interaction are pretty much gone. For all the bitching about forced updates and UAC and other security measures, they basically work.

Re: This week in 1988, Robert Morris unleashed his eponymous worm

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I find it funny that: 1) He released it from MIT to avoid suspicion. 2) After he was convicted, he went from Cornell to Harvard to complete his Ph.D. 3) He became an assistant professor at MIT after that. He had to be really spectacular/have crazy connections to still be able to finish his training at a top program and get a job at the institution he tried to frame.

Have you read any of his papers? Morris was not fucking around.

Re: This week in 1988, Robert Morris unleashed his eponymous worm

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post #35

I'm pretty sure Paul Graham was directly involved in this story (not in any bad, culpable way, but enough that, were a film to be made about it, a well-known actor would be cast for his part). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38020635

Out of curiosity, why do you think this?

Re: This week in 1988, Robert Morris unleashed his eponymous worm

#38
post #29

I followed his course 6.5840 on distributed systems ( https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.824/ , YouTube videos at https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrw6a1wE39_tb2fErI4-WkMbs... ) and completed the labs. One day, out of curiosity, I looked up his name. Then I realized what a legend he is. Great course by the way.

Would be cool if he adds a session on how to hack distributed system in 1988...

Re: This week in 1988, Robert Morris unleashed his eponymous worm

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know his dad ran research at the NSA right? His dad's also a badass and super fun to talk to. Never talked to the son though, but I'd love to some day.

I did not. That actually makes everything make much more sense. I was even wordering how he got out of jail time for something like this and just thought he had amazing lawyers.

I think the bigger thing was that the Internet just wasn't that big a deal at the time. I got serious access in '93, and into '94-95 there were still netsplits on it (UUNet/NSFNet is the one I remember most). It was a non-remunerative offense, with really unclear intent, that took out a research network. He had good counsel, as you can tell from the reporting about the trial, but the outcome made sense. I doubt his dad had much to do with it.

Re: This week in 1988, Robert Morris unleashed his eponymous worm

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post #29

I followed his course 6.5840 on distributed systems ( https://pdos.csail.mit.edu/6.824/ , YouTube videos at https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrw6a1wE39_tb2fErI4-WkMbs... ) and completed the labs. One day, out of curiosity, I looked up his name. Then I realized what a legend he is. Great course by the way.

Would be cool if he adds a session on how to hack distributed system in 1988...

In 1988? Just stick random semicolons in things.
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