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Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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post #78

Don't forget: It was the raping that caused the damage to the IDF and the global standing of Israel, not the leaking. But nowadays it seems to be en vogue again to shoot the messenger.

But you can't get away with anything if people keep reporting the truth. And the IDF is used to getting away with everything. Therefore the reporting is the problem.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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The whole situation is so extreme it almost reads like sick parody. Last year there were riots in Israel when some IDF soldiers were arrested for raping prisoners. The riots were in defense of the rapists, and were attended not only by extremist Israeli civilians but also Israeli lawmakers, who stormed the military base where the rapists were being held. The leaker releases a video of some of the abuse and is then ac…

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What kind of solution are you thinking of?

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently, any time I see someone railing against about one-sided coverage, it sets off alarm bells for where the person themselves is coming from. To explain, there was a study of partisan bias I once read, wherein a mixed audience is shown some factually neutral piece of media, then asked to rate the bias of the piece along with some other questions. Naturally, the strongest partisans felt it was the most biased aga…

But that is totally unreasonable ... what would you do if I accuse you of child molesting? Let's say I make a video focusing on that. Obviously it's not true, but that doesn't prevent anyone from making such a video. I think you'll be insisting on additional context and moving the topic of conversation away from child molesting and your involvement therein to, oh, perhaps "fake news". The sad truth is that it's funda…

> what would you do if I accuse you of child molesting? Let's say I make a video focusing on that.

Depends strongly on what you mean of "make a video focusing on that". Is the video just repeating the accusations, without giving any evidence? Is the video a fake? Or does it show actual evidence of child molesting?

I think the moral judgement of this would depend strongly on whether actual molestation has taken place and whether or not the video shows evidence of that.

If it didn't show evidence or the evidence was fake, the case can be dismissed without any additional context and the blame would be on the author of the video for spreading libel.

But if it was true, what kind of context would you expect would change the outcome? "That kid totally deserved it"?

Incidentally, Israelis make the same demand on the world to ignore any "context" for October 7.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

#124

The whole situation is so extreme it almost reads like sick parody. Last year there were riots in Israel when some IDF soldiers were arrested for raping prisoners. The riots were in defense of the rapists, and were attended not only by extremist Israeli civilians but also Israeli lawmakers, who stormed the military base where the rapists were being held. The leaker releases a video of some of the abuse and is then ac…

just to correct your timeline. riots were at base of military police and not all over Israel as can be understood from your message.

Leaker leaked the videos in order to show seriousness of accusation because before that wasn't clear what exactly happened and many people thought that soldiers were simply rough with prisoners and military policy actions not justified.

Leak happened august last year. Katz statement happened this week.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

#125
post #28

Why does the reportimg say she "abandoned" her car at the beach? She was at the beach when she was located. People usually do not take their cars with them once they arrive at their destination. To get out and walk is not abandoning the car.

she either tried to commit suicide or tried to stage it. she was found wet without some of her clothes

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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post #120

Israeli soldiers sexually abuse a Palestinian prisoner, while the leaker gets hounded. From settler violence to cases like this, there is little or no accountability anymore in Israel.

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Honestly, no. Throwing some particularly 'bad apples' under the bus doesn't equate to accountability.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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post #20

>Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu echoed his defence minister's words on Sunday, saying that the incident at Sde Teiman was "perhaps the most severe public relations attack that the State of Israel has experienced since its establishment". https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0kpd97qqko This is all very inconvenient that people know the truth I guess ...

I'm not versed enough in the full history of Israel, but perhaps attacking several of your neighbours, buying anti-citizen and anti-journalism spyware, raping prisoners, keeping a de facto dictator in power… well, I think Israel has done plenty to smear its own image.

Am I in a bubble? Because for more than a year I'd be hard pressed to find anyone in my country that would still be pro-Israel as a whole. Some nuanced support, surely, but also widespread condemnation.

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