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This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

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Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#21
While I truly admire how much progress they’ve made, and respect that everyone should pursue whatever they feel like doing with their time, it still feels to me like such a waste that it’s not written in a modern memory safe language.

I fear it’s ultimately going to be the most promising, least safe browser to use.

But hey, I want to be proven wrong, so I still gave them some money…

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#22

While I truly admire how much progress they’ve made, and respect that everyone should pursue whatever they feel like doing with their time, it still feels to me like such a waste that it’s not written in a modern memory safe language. I fear it’s ultimately going to be the most promising, least safe browser to use. But hey, I want to be proven wrong, so I still gave them some money…

They've started to gradually use Swift in the last year or so.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#23

Good progress this month! Good to see it running on Windows now, even if I don't use Windows myself anymore. That'll help boost adoption once it releases.

True open source web browsers on Windows, and MacOS, are dead in the water. This is because of the lack of Widevine CDM, and the majority of people wanting to stream stuff using services like Tidal, Netflix and Spotify. They will also want to use a single browser for everything, which in practice means Edge, Chrome, Firefox or Safari. Ladybird will very likely not have access to Widevine, because of the cost, require…

How is withholding Widevine CDM not anti-competitive behaviour?

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#24

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True open source web browsers on Windows, and MacOS, are dead in the water. This is because of the lack of Widevine CDM, and the majority of people wanting to stream stuff using services like Tidal, Netflix and Spotify. They will also want to use a single browser for everything, which in practice means Edge, Chrome, Firefox or Safari. Ladybird will very likely not have access to Widevine, because of the cost, require…

Well, they want me to view free movies if I use free browser, then

You mean gratis movies using a libre browser. They are not the same concept.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True open source web browsers on Windows, and MacOS, are dead in the water. This is because of the lack of Widevine CDM, and the majority of people wanting to stream stuff using services like Tidal, Netflix and Spotify. They will also want to use a single browser for everything, which in practice means Edge, Chrome, Firefox or Safari. Ladybird will very likely not have access to Widevine, because of the cost, require…

How is withholding Widevine CDM not anti-competitive behaviour?

@EU

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True open source web browsers on Windows, and MacOS, are dead in the water. This is because of the lack of Widevine CDM, and the majority of people wanting to stream stuff using services like Tidal, Netflix and Spotify. They will also want to use a single browser for everything, which in practice means Edge, Chrome, Firefox or Safari. Ladybird will very likely not have access to Widevine, because of the cost, require…

Does Widevine CDM work on Firefox on Linux? If so, why would Google allow this but not for other OSS browsers?

It doesn't, this is also the reason that streamers like Nvidia Shield or Apple TV are the only two choices if you want to view 4K content at all.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Widevine CDM work on Firefox on Linux? If so, why would Google allow this but not for other OSS browsers?

It doesn't, this is also the reason that streamers like Nvidia Shield or Apple TV are the only two choices if you want to view 4K content at all.

I have been using firefox on linux for a little more than a decade now and haven't realize I was missing on anything so I guess it's probably not a real problem.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#28

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If they'd just have used an Electron stack from the get-go, it would have been cross platform already

If they were happy with using an existing browser engine, they wouldn't be writing one from scratch

I agree, they can write it from scratch and compile to web-assembly. That way they can use Electron for the UI layer. (apparently needed)

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Widevine CDM work on Firefox on Linux? If so, why would Google allow this but not for other OSS browsers?

It doesn't, this is also the reason that streamers like Nvidia Shield or Apple TV are the only two choices if you want to view 4K content at all.

and yet ~some devices are constantly pwned, and pristine UHD WEB-DL's are being ripped automatically.

Re: This Month in Ladybird – October 2025

#30

Good progress this month! Good to see it running on Windows now, even if I don't use Windows myself anymore. That'll help boost adoption once it releases.

True open source web browsers on Windows, and MacOS, are dead in the water. This is because of the lack of Widevine CDM, and the majority of people wanting to stream stuff using services like Tidal, Netflix and Spotify. They will also want to use a single browser for everything, which in practice means Edge, Chrome, Firefox or Safari. Ladybird will very likely not have access to Widevine, because of the cost, require…

You can build Firefox without Widevine if you don't like DRM. The browser itself will work just fine. A few specific websites won't, by design: they do not want to work on computers that will let you save the high-res video they serve to a file.

Without EME, we'd still be stuck with Silverlight or ActiveX DRM in these browsers. There are browsers without Widevine that stream just fine; they use FairPlay and PlayReady instead. The current situation is still a significant improvement over the days when "free" web browsers were still a thing.

This isn't a web browser problem, it's a video streaming problem. As it turns out, the vast majority of people care more about streaming Netflix than they do about software freedom.

The minority that wants a truly open browser can buy DVDs and Blurays, or pirate the content they want to stream.

If Ladybird is willing to agree to the right terms and sign the right paperwork, I'm sure they'd get Widevine support eventually, but obviously they wouldn't be able to publish the source code for any of it.

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