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Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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I actually haven't said word one about whether there should be a trial. Conversely, you said this: >There's been no trial and the footage, which was doctored, does not clearly show this ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806468 ) >I also pointed out that the video doesn't clearly support the allegation, and the video has been doctored. ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45806559 ) There is no assertion in t…

I made an argument that there should be a trial and argued explicitly against those who think thee shouldn't be a trial. Here's how you responded to my defense of common law and due process: "Right, because over the course of the past 400 years, those institutions have always worked everywhere and no one's ever been at the margins of the justice system, been arrested arbitrarily or ignored by the police, had to langu…

>I made an argument that there should be a trial and argued explicitly against those who think thee shouldn't be a trial

Correct, you made a straw man: literally no one is saying there shouldn't be a trial in this thread. You know who isn't? The Israeli government, the military whose members are accused of a crime, and a large and vocal segment of the Israeli population. The same cohort _do_ want a criminal case levelled against a whistleblower who was being intimidated for trying to do her job. The fact that this case is being pursued with significantly more vigour makes most reasonable observers question the level of commitment Israeli society has to the values you're evangelizing. But I mean, how sincere your commitment is is still up in the air, because again, you've never walked back your unsupported claim that the video is doctored.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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Recently, any time I see someone railing against about one-sided coverage, it sets off alarm bells for where the person themselves is coming from. To explain, there was a study of partisan bias I once read, wherein a mixed audience is shown some factually neutral piece of media, then asked to rate the bias of the piece along with some other questions. Naturally, the strongest partisans felt it was the most biased aga…

But that is totally unreasonable ... what would you do if I accuse you of child molesting? Let's say I make a video focusing on that. Obviously it's not true, but that doesn't prevent anyone from making such a video. I think you'll be insisting on additional context and moving the topic of conversation away from child molesting and your involvement therein to, oh, perhaps "fake news". The sad truth is that it's funda…

Honestly, thinking it through, there's no way I'd engage the public at all on something like that except possibly a singular utterance that no, it didn't happen, ever, not even close, it's a bold faced lie.

Trying to contextualize or talk about fake news or doing anything else feels very shady to me in that context. You do often see this sort of hemming and hawing from people online during these cancellation campaigns, and I cannot even fathom what inspires them to do anything other than directly and aggressively defend themselves.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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The whole situation is so extreme it almost reads like sick parody. Last year there were riots in Israel when some IDF soldiers were arrested for raping prisoners. The riots were in defense of the rapists, and were attended not only by extremist Israeli civilians but also Israeli lawmakers, who stormed the military base where the rapists were being held. The leaker releases a video of some of the abuse and is then ac…

One of the rapists is now paraded as a hero on Israeli TV. Sick, sick society.

No wonder our leaders have gotten along so well in modern history (U.S.)

What is happening in these modern democracies that has led to this sick embrace of cruelty, pessimism ,and apathy?

It really feels like pessimism is the rot or maybe anti-optimism; how can things ever get better if the culture rejects the idea that better things are possible?

Better things are possible, very difficult, and extremely necessary. Fight for it.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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I don't like or condone what Hamas did at all. Their crimes should not be ignored and I never said so. They should all be in prison and stay there. But that someone did something horrendous against my people does not make it right for my people to kill them, at an extend far, far greater than what Hamas has caused Israelis to suffer under. You cannot in a sane mind propose that genocide is ever justified. If you do,…

The problem with this argument is that Israel responded militarily to an attack by hamas by attacking fighters using human shields. That is NOT a genocide, according to the human rights conventions. If having civilian victims at all is a war crime then every police officer in the world is a war criminal. But what hamas did on Oct 7 2023, that satisfies without any doubt whatsoever every last requirement for genocide.…

The problem I have lies less in killing human shields employed by Hamas (which is a terrorist/war crime). The bulk of the genocide is what happend after Isreal's invasion into Gaza, and after Hamas was effectively eliminated as a credible major threat.

However, it does not help Isreal's case that they also employed human shields, thus putting themselves on the same level as Hamas.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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One of the rapists is now paraded as a hero on Israeli TV. Sick, sick society.

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> is Israeli society, by supporting this woman, perhaps expressing support for punishing rapists and mass murderers, even where such punishment does not entirely follow the rules?

It’s unclear what woman you refer to, but anyway I don’t think there is enough “support for punishing rapists” to cancel out the riots in support of the alleged rapists, or the government, military, and media campaign to demonize the whistleblower with incendiary lies like “blood libel.”

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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There was a time when rule of law was an aspiration. Sectarian violence and revenge may be sometimes understandable , but never laudable , IMHO.

the middle east has rarely played by those rules, not in recent memory anyway.

Re: Israels top military lawyer arrested after she admitted leaking video of abuse

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That's average person for ya.

Do you mean the average Israeli? You can’t believe the average person is like this.

who got Durtarte elected in the Philippines? or Trump in the US?
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