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Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

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Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

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Inheritance is in most cases the only way young people in a lot of European countries can even own their own home

> Inheritance is in most cases the only way young people in a lot of European countries can even own their own home

Only if you don't build enough new homes in places where people desire to live, because you can own a home - just not where you want to actually live.

Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

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The Slate Money podcast had a recent episode of their "Money Talks" series that interviewed Ray Madoff, author of the new book The Second Estate. It was an interesting listen—could've been longer, IMO—and I appreciated the discussion about the history of the inheritance tax in the US and how it has become useless, largely through political inaction refusing to close tricks/loopholes. I'll be checking out from my library (once it's in the system!).

Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

#53

This is just wrong. If we skip the ultra rich totally and focus on normal families inheritance is THE way to help you decendants. Right now (where i live) you pay a big tax on inheritance, this is ok if you only inherit cash. In 99% of inheritances this is not the case. You inherit family home, a cottage etc. Then you must sell because you cant afford to pay for it. Now the asset is gone forever and the next generati…

You can sell the asset, so how does anyone inherit nothing? Someone who wants to spend an inheritance is going to do it, whether it’s liquid (cash) or marginally less so (real property)

you sell and after that its gone. If there is a house you can a) live in it (by doing so you cut your own families costs by a massive amount) or b) rent it and get a little extra each month.

Once you sell it you pay more taxes. Do you think any of the money you got will go to your kids, or even grandkids? Id say in 80% of all cases it will be long gone before that time comes.

Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

#54
post #6

Inheritance is in most cases the only way young people in a lot of European countries can even own their own home

That is a problem with housing and supply-side in European countries.

The reason there is an issue with housing is the same reason why these articles appear declaiming the political risks (notice, Stigliz only says the risk is political...his friends losing office) of inequality.

This will continue forever, it is ingrained in human nature, it is why it took tens of thousands of years for economic growth to happen from the birth of modern human society.

Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

#55
What terrifies me most about this is that those in power will keep getting younger, dumber and more complacent.

I feel like communism is inevitable at this point. People know communism isn't the solution, but they will still vote for it because at least it pretends to stand for equality.

We're going to reach a point of such extreme inequality that even the pretense of equality provided by communism would be welcomed by the majority.

In a way, the pretense of equality sets a floor on inequality; because, in a communist system which calls all humans equal, any actual inequality has to be either hidden or justified... This requires effort. A system which pretends to stand for equality can only become so unequal before it loses its ability to justify itself; then it collapses.

By contrast, our current system makes no claims about human equality, quite the opposite; it exaggerates and propagandizes the inequality of humans and human ability as a means to justify its failures in terms of human resource allocation.

For example, our current system sees homelessness not as a failure of its resource-allocation capabilities but as a kind of efficiency. It does so by dehumanizing the homeless; painting them as lazy and incapable of value-creation; deceptively conflating 'value creation' with 'value extraction' in the process. Our system keeps trying to portray the 'value extraction' endeavors of the entrepreneur class as being on the same level as the 'value creation' of the working class... They will not acknowledge the reality that 'value extraction' is the main cause of wasted human potential.

It is our current system itself which fails to efficiently allocate the most valuable resource in society; people's time and energy. Our current system implies that human life is of such low intrinsic value, that some people aren't even worthy of having a roof over their heads, all while it deprives them of their right to build their own roofs (with regulations).

Our system loves to blame individuals for its oppression and it loves it even more when they blame themselves for it; it seizes any opportunity it can to demonize beaten-down intelligent people who understand the mechanics of its oppression and it idolizes egotistical idiots who have never experienced struggle and who therefore don't have much difficulty in taking full credit for everything (good) which happens to them...

It's not difficult to take full responsibility for your situation when only good things happen to you... But watch how these people behave when things go belly-up. They're off to the Caymans, never to be heard from again... The system is remarkably lenient on them.

Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

#56
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter-example: All the European, and world countries who have implemented the various inheritance, wealth taxes and heavy redistribution yet the inequality is still widening. Take France, Norway or Sweden as the ideal social democracies. Argentina (the end game of social democracy) pre-Milei had a huge array of taxes and regulations which lead to the state misusing that money to actually enrich a small elite of pol…

Sweden has no inheritance or wealth tax.

Specifically because those don't work at all. Not because some evil rich people decided to scrap them.

Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

#57
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Capitalism creates inequality, but in a socialism/communism economy there would be either no money or no goods. Everyone would be equally poor, not just some.

Social democracy is Socialism[1]. European social democracies are among the top of the wealthiest countries in the world. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

I was unlucky to see and live in socialism. European democracies are not socialism by a mile. They are capitalist countries with some socialist elements. Yes, it makes sense.

Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

#58

1) set a generous threshold over which your inheritance gets taxed, inflation adjusted (e.g, 2M not including the principal residence) 2) tax 100% above it. (should only concern a fraction of a fraction of cases) 3) put all this tax's proceeds in a sovereign wealth fund 4) at 21, a citizen gets access to her redistributed generational wealth 5) profit

There's a reason why countries, like Sweden, have scrapped the inheritance tax - it doesn't work like that anymore. The benefits of wealth are exercised long before the inheritance can be applied. Your first home down payment, your education, your wealth generation while being on support by your parents, etc. - will push you off the ground faster, than any inheritance in a world where people easily live to 80-90. Mos…

I'm pretty sure we scrapped it because the conservatives got into power.

Re: Over $70T of inherited wealth over next decade will widen inequality, economists

#60

1) set a generous threshold over which your inheritance gets taxed, inflation adjusted (e.g, 2M not including the principal residence) 2) tax 100% above it. (should only concern a fraction of a fraction of cases) 3) put all this tax's proceeds in a sovereign wealth fund 4) at 21, a citizen gets access to her redistributed generational wealth 5) profit

I think you'd have to be a bit more complex than that.

Most 80 year olds know they arent going to live forever and would probably just transfer their assets a little early.

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