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Tenacity – a multi-track audio editor/recorder

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Re: Tenacity – a multi-track audio editor/recorder

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Post by ginko »

mulhoon wrote: post #9

Does anyone see multitrack recording happening well in-browser? Has anyone tried BandLab? Aside from the social slop and recent aggressive advertising, their recording app is super impressive, glitch free, low latency, easy to use and sounds great. Or will this always be the domain of installable software?

Serious question: Why would it be preferable to have something like this in the browser? The thought of having to keep track of a browser tab that you might accidentally close and lose all your work doesn't sound great.

Re: Tenacity – a multi-track audio editor/recorder

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Post by swiftcoder »

cookiengineer wrote: post #8
ktpsns wrote: post #2

An audacity fork. Reason for forking described at https://tenacityaudio.org/docs/_content/Introduction_and_Mot... . Their own summary: > at the primary reasons were attempts at adding telemetry and a new desktop privacy policy [by the new audacity maintainers] Previously discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34835200

Well, technically the reason for the fork was the implanted backdoor that was executing a binary coming from Muse groups server, hidden as telemetry and an update check. It's not a well built backdoor and the code is easy to spot, as there's not a lot of other http related code in audacity itself. edit: Check the au3/src/update/UpdateManager.cpp, they're still not hiding this better after all that happened, lol. [1]…

Can you point out the specific issue here? At a glance it looks like a fairly normal self-update patching process

Re: Tenacity – a multi-track audio editor/recorder

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Post by jamesnorden »

mulhoon wrote: post #9

Does anyone see multitrack recording happening well in-browser? Has anyone tried BandLab? Aside from the social slop and recent aggressive advertising, their recording app is super impressive, glitch free, low latency, easy to use and sounds great. Or will this always be the domain of installable software?

Someone ported Audacity to the web. https://wavacity.com/

Re: Tenacity – a multi-track audio editor/recorder

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Post by jmiskovic »

ginko wrote: post #11
mulhoon wrote: post #9

Does anyone see multitrack recording happening well in-browser? Has anyone tried BandLab? Aside from the social slop and recent aggressive advertising, their recording app is super impressive, glitch free, low latency, easy to use and sounds great. Or will this always be the domain of installable software?

Serious question: Why would it be preferable to have something like this in the browser? The thought of having to keep track of a browser tab that you might accidentally close and lose all your work doesn't sound great.

This is easy to fix with local storage. You reopen the tab and you're right where you left it. Unfortunately the companies see it as an opportunity to lock users in with cloud saving.

The allure is that the web is the most open, most stable and the most cross-device platform we have. Almost anything that was made for web still works today, with Flash and Java applets being the two big exceptions. Following the Lindy effect the self-contained web apps of today will still be operational far into the future.

Contrast this with Android's pathetic record of constantly breaking backward compatibility and restricting what software the users can even run on their devices.

Re: Tenacity – a multi-track audio editor/recorder

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Post by Orygin »

cookiengineer wrote: post #8
ktpsns wrote: post #2

An audacity fork. Reason for forking described at https://tenacityaudio.org/docs/_content/Introduction_and_Mot... . Their own summary: > at the primary reasons were attempts at adding telemetry and a new desktop privacy policy [by the new audacity maintainers] Previously discussed at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34835200

Well, technically the reason for the fork was the implanted backdoor that was executing a binary coming from Muse groups server, hidden as telemetry and an update check. It's not a well built backdoor and the code is easy to spot, as there's not a lot of other http related code in audacity itself. edit: Check the au3/src/update/UpdateManager.cpp, they're still not hiding this better after all that happened, lol. [1]…

I mean, you already are "executing a binary coming from Muse groups server" if you downloaded Audacity from their website. How is an auto update mechanism a backdoor? You have to accept a modal for it to run the downloaded binary.

I guess it could be improved by using and verifying signatures, but it seems pretty on point for a standard windows software auto update feature

Re: Tenacity – a multi-track audio editor/recorder

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

mulhoon wrote: post #9

Does anyone see multitrack recording happening well in-browser? Has anyone tried BandLab? Aside from the social slop and recent aggressive advertising, their recording app is super impressive, glitch free, low latency, easy to use and sounds great. Or will this always be the domain of installable software?

I've never recorded with BandLab, but used it a lot for playback, and for a beginner, it's really good and very easy to use.

With regards to recording - I'm curious how this would work on a scale like 16 ins at a time. Dumping bits from the interface to disk as uncompressed .wav is trivial, on the browser I'm not sure how storage works. Would it have to upload to the cloud immediately?

Re: Tenacity – a multi-track audio editor/recorder

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Post by ginko »

jmiskovic wrote: post #16
ginko wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Why would it be preferable to have something like this in the browser? The thought of having to keep track of a browser tab that you might accidentally close and lose all your work doesn't sound great.

This is easy to fix with local storage. You reopen the tab and you're right where you left it. Unfortunately the companies see it as an opportunity to lock users in with cloud saving. The allure is that the web is the most open, most stable and the most cross-device platform we have. Almost anything that was made for web still works today, with Flash and Java applets being the two big exceptions. Following the Lindy…

How is the web stable? Any server can change the app you're working on without you being able to do anything. Tons of the old web is broken or gone.

Compare that to a win32 desktop app that will almost certainly keep working indefinitely without any changes. Plus you can use proper files for storage.

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