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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by zeppelin101 »

DrammBA wrote: post #217
zeppelin101 wrote: post #101

The major shortcoming of NextCloud, in my opinion, is that that it's not able to do sync over LAN. Imagine wanting to synchronize 1TB+ of data and not being able to do so over a 1 Gbps+ local connection, when another local device has all the necessary data. There is some workaround involving "split DNS", but I haven't gotten around to it. Other than that, I thought NC was absolutely fantastic.

> The major shortcoming of NextCloud, in my opinion, is that that it's not able to do sync over LAN. That’s an interesting way to describe a lack of configuration on your part. Imagine me saying: "The major shortcoming of Google drive, in my opinion, is that that it's not able to sync files from my phone. There is some workaround involving an app called 'Google drive' that I have to install on my phone, but I haven't…

I don't know why the sarcasm is so necessary. I very much enjoyed Nextcloud and I proudly ran it for the better part of a year. I even ran various NC-ecosystem apps, such as the Office ones. However, my objective was to try it out from the standpoint of regular self-hosting. I wanted to contrast the 'out-of-the-box' experience to Dropbox, which I had been using for many years up to that point. Yes, one was centrally hosted, while the other was self-hosted, but still, that was the experiment I was running. So I'm sorry if I didn't live up to your standards of what a user should be doing to their software, but I sure had lots of fun self-hosting tons of software at that time.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by silverwind »

bastawhiz wrote: post #89
nullgeo wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is React runtime? I looked it up and the closest thing I came across is the newly announced React compiler. I have a vested interest in this because currently working on a micro-SaaS that uses React heavily and still suffering bundle bloat even after performing all the usual optimizations.

When you compile JSX to JavaScript, it produces a series of function calls representing the structure of the JSX. In a recent major version, React added a new set of functions which are more efficient at both runtime and during transport, and don't require an explicit import (which helps cut down on unnecessary dependencies).

You mean the automatic runtime introduced in 2020. It does not have any impact on the performance, it's just a pure developer UX improvement.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by noname120 »

palata wrote: post #219
redrblackr wrote: post #141

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There is also "memories for nextcloud" which basically matches immich in feature set (was ahead until last month), nextcloud+memories make a very strong replacement for gdrive or dropbox

Yeah I guess my issue is that if I can't trust the mobile app not to lose my photos (or stop syncing, or not sync everything), then I just can't use it at all. There is no point in having Nextcloud AND iCloud just because I don't trust Nextcloud :D.

Nextcloud mobile app is crap but fortunately it’s just WebDAV so you can use any other WebDAV app for synchronization.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by omnimus »

palata wrote: post #205
guilamu wrote: post #49

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I'd say Ente-photo is at least as good if not better than Immich. https://github.com/ente-io/ente

Does it have a mobile app that backs up the photos while in the background and can essentially be "forgotten"? That's pretty much what I need for my family: their photos need to get to my server magically.

Both Ente and Immich have that.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by jacooper »

realaaa wrote: post #274
aeldidi wrote: post #230

Nextcloud is something I have a somewhat love-hate relationship with. On one hand, I've used Nextcloud for ~7 years to backup and provide access to all of my family's photos. We can look at our family pictures and memories from any computer, and it's all private and runs mostly without any headaches. On the other hand, Nextcloud is so far from being something like Google Docs, and I would never recommend it as a gene…

is Immich that thing? I've played with it, but didn't really dig deeper they claim they can do it all when it comes to pictures and videos etc

Immich is way better if all you need is photo storage. It's Google photos level.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by palata »

noname120 wrote: post #283
palata wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I guess my issue is that if I can't trust the mobile app not to lose my photos (or stop syncing, or not sync everything), then I just can't use it at all. There is no point in having Nextcloud AND iCloud just because I don't trust Nextcloud :D.

Nextcloud mobile app is crap but fortunately it’s just WebDAV so you can use any other WebDAV app for synchronization.

That's a good point! Are there good WebDAV apps synchronising, say the Photo gallery on iOS, transparently and always in the background?

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by celsoazevedo »

gloosx wrote: post #265
celsoazevedo wrote: post #237

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> Even low-band 5G gives you 30–250 Mbps down. On paper. In practice, it can be worse than that. I've spent the past year using a network called O2 here in the UK. Their 5G SA coverage depends a lot on low band (n28/700MHz) and had issues in places where you'd expect it to work well (London, for example). I've experienced sub 1Mbps speeds and even data failing outdoors more than once. I have a good phone, I'm in a ci…

That's really quite odd. There is even no 5G in my area, yet I get 100 Mbps stable download speed on 4G LTE, outdoors and indoors, any time of the day. Is 5G a downgrade? Is it considered normal service in the UK, when latest generation of cellular network provides a connection speed compared to 3G launched in 2001? How is this even acceptable in the year 2025. Would anyone in the UK start complaining if they downgra…

5G is better, but like any G, networks need to deploy capacity for it to be fast.

I sometimes see +1Gbps with 100MHz of n78 (3500MHz), a frequency that wasn't used for any of the previous Gs, but as you are aware, 5G can also be deployed on low band and while more efficient, it can't do miracles. For example, networks here use 700MHz. A 10MHz slice of 700MHz seems to provide around 75Mbps on 4G and around 80Mbps on 5G under good conditions. It's better, but not a huge improvement.

The problem in my case is a lack of capacity. Not all sites have been upgraded to have faster backhaul or to broadcast the higher, faster frequencies they use for 5G, so I may end up using low band from a site further away... Low frequencies = less capacity to carry data. Have too many users using something with limited capacity and sometimes it will be too slow or not work at all. It's usually the network's fault as they're not upgrading/expanding/investing enough or fast enough... sometimes it's the local authority being difficult and blocking upgrades/new sites (and we also have the "5G = deadly waves" crowd here).

It shouldn't happen, but it does happen[0], and that's we shouldn't assume that a user - even in a developed country - will have signal or good speeds everywhere. Every network has weak spots, coverage inside buildings depends a lot on the materials used, large events can cause networks to slow down, etc. Other than trying to pick a better network, there's not much a user can do.

The less data we use to do something, the better it is for users.

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[0] Here's a 2022 article from BBC's technology editor complaining about her speeds: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-63798292

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by nyadesu »

realaaa wrote: post #274
aeldidi wrote: post #230

Nextcloud is something I have a somewhat love-hate relationship with. On one hand, I've used Nextcloud for ~7 years to backup and provide access to all of my family's photos. We can look at our family pictures and memories from any computer, and it's all private and runs mostly without any headaches. On the other hand, Nextcloud is so far from being something like Google Docs, and I would never recommend it as a gene…

is Immich that thing? I've played with it, but didn't really dig deeper they claim they can do it all when it comes to pictures and videos etc

Immich is actually usable, thumbnail previews work without any previous setup, and the mobile app is pretty responsive

Unlike Nextcloud, I feel I can rely on it and feel I can upgrade without issues

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by DrammBA »

zeppelin101 wrote: post #281
DrammBA wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The major shortcoming of NextCloud, in my opinion, is that that it's not able to do sync over LAN. That’s an interesting way to describe a lack of configuration on your part. Imagine me saying: "The major shortcoming of Google drive, in my opinion, is that that it's not able to sync files from my phone. There is some workaround involving an app called 'Google drive' that I have to install on my phone, but I haven't…

I don't know why the sarcasm is so necessary. I very much enjoyed Nextcloud and I proudly ran it for the better part of a year. I even ran various NC-ecosystem apps, such as the Office ones. However, my objective was to try it out from the standpoint of regular self-hosting. I wanted to contrast the 'out-of-the-box' experience to Dropbox, which I had been using for many years up to that point. Yes, one was centrally…

Not sure why you took it so personally, I was simply pointing out that if you don't configure a feature then that feature would obviously not work, for example phone sync for google drive won't work if you don't download the google drive app, and lan access for nextcloud won't work if you don't set up lan access.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by realaaa »

great post thank you !

does anyone have some tips & tricks on how to optimise Nextcloud installation for better performance, perhaps some server-side tweaks can improve things a bit also?

I have one running in a small VM (4 GB ram) and it's OK for what it is, but yeah that initial loading delay is very noticeable ..

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