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The Case That A.I. Is Thinking

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Re: The Case That A.I. Is Thinking

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Well, I think because we know how the code is written, in the sense that humans quite literally wrote the code for it - it's definitely not thinking, and it is literally doing what we asked, based on the data we gave it. It is specifically executing code we thought of. The output of course, we had no flying idea it would work this well. But it is not sentient. It has no idea of a self or anything like that. If it mak…

We do not write the code that makes it do what it does. We write the code that trains it to figure out how to do what it does. There's a big difference.

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Well, I think because we know how the code is written, in the sense that humans quite literally wrote the code for it - it's definitely not thinking, and it is literally doing what we asked, based on the data we gave it. It is specifically executing code we thought of. The output of course, we had no flying idea it would work this well. But it is not sentient. It has no idea of a self or anything like that. If it mak…

This is probably true. But the truth is we have absolutely no idea what sentience is and what gives rise to it. We cannot identify why humans have it rather than just being complex biological machines, or whether and why other animals do. We have no idea what the rules or, nevermind how and why they would or wouldn't apply to AI.

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#14

Well, I think because we know how the code is written, in the sense that humans quite literally wrote the code for it - it's definitely not thinking, and it is literally doing what we asked, based on the data we gave it. It is specifically executing code we thought of. The output of course, we had no flying idea it would work this well. But it is not sentient. It has no idea of a self or anything like that. If it mak…

Unless the idea of us having a thinking self is just something that comes out of our mouth, an artifact of language. In which case we are not that different - in the end we all came from mere atoms, after all!

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Well, I think because we know how the code is written, in the sense that humans quite literally wrote the code for it - it's definitely not thinking, and it is literally doing what we asked, based on the data we gave it. It is specifically executing code we thought of. The output of course, we had no flying idea it would work this well. But it is not sentient. It has no idea of a self or anything like that. If it mak…

Now convince us that you’re sentient and not just regurgitating what you’ve heard and seen in your life.

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#16

Well, I think because we know how the code is written, in the sense that humans quite literally wrote the code for it - it's definitely not thinking, and it is literally doing what we asked, based on the data we gave it. It is specifically executing code we thought of. The output of course, we had no flying idea it would work this well. But it is not sentient. It has no idea of a self or anything like that. If it mak…

We do not write the code that makes it do what it does. We write the code that trains it to figure out how to do what it does. There's a big difference.

and then the code to give it context. AFAIU, there is a lot of post training "setup" in the context and variables to get the trained model to "behave as we instruct it to"

Am I wrong about this?

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#17

Well, I think because we know how the code is written, in the sense that humans quite literally wrote the code for it - it's definitely not thinking, and it is literally doing what we asked, based on the data we gave it. It is specifically executing code we thought of. The output of course, we had no flying idea it would work this well. But it is not sentient. It has no idea of a self or anything like that. If it mak…

What’s crazy to me is the mechanism of pleasure or pain. I can understand that with enough complexity we can give rise to sentience but what does it take to achieve sensation?

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The author searches for a midpoint between "AIs are useless and do not actually think" and "AIs think like humans," but to me it seems almost trivially true that both are possible.

What I mean by that is that I think there is a good chance that LLMs are similar to a subsystem of human thinking. They are great at pattern recognition and prediction, which is a huge part of cognition. What they are not is conscious, or possessed of subjective experience in any measurable way.

LLMs are like the part of your brain that sees something and maps it into a concept for you. I recently watched a video on the creation of AlexNet [0], one of the first wildly successful image-processing models. One of the impressive things about it is how it moves up the hierarchy from very basic patterns in images to more abstract ones (e. g. these two images' pixels might not be at all the same, but they both eventually map to a pattern for 'elephant').

It's perfectly reasonable to imagine that our brains do something similar. You see a cat, in some context, and your brain maps it to the concept of 'cat', so you know, 'that's a cat'. What's missing is a) self-motivated, goal-directed action based on that knowledge, and b) a broader context for the world where these concepts not only map to each other, but feed into a sense of self and world and its distinctions whereby one can say: "I am here, and looking at a cat."

It's possible those latter two parts can be solved, or approximated, by an LLM, but I am skeptical. I think LLMs represent a huge leap in technology which is simultaneously cooler than anyone would have imagined a decade ago, and less impressive than pretty much everyone wants you to believe when it comes to how much money we should pour into the companies that make them.

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZDiGooFs54

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post #17

Well, I think because we know how the code is written, in the sense that humans quite literally wrote the code for it - it's definitely not thinking, and it is literally doing what we asked, based on the data we gave it. It is specifically executing code we thought of. The output of course, we had no flying idea it would work this well. But it is not sentient. It has no idea of a self or anything like that. If it mak…

What’s crazy to me is the mechanism of pleasure or pain. I can understand that with enough complexity we can give rise to sentience but what does it take to achieve sensation?

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Re: The Case That A.I. Is Thinking

#20

Well, I think because we know how the code is written, in the sense that humans quite literally wrote the code for it - it's definitely not thinking, and it is literally doing what we asked, based on the data we gave it. It is specifically executing code we thought of. The output of course, we had no flying idea it would work this well. But it is not sentient. It has no idea of a self or anything like that. If it mak…

Now convince us that you’re sentient and not just regurgitating what you’ve heard and seen in your life.

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