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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by imcritic »

bogwog wrote: post #61

Nextcloud is bloated and slow, but it works and is reliable. I've been running a small instance in a business setting with around 8 daily users for many years. It is rock solid and requires zero maintenance. But people rarely use the web apps. Instead, it's used more like a NAS with the desktop sync client being the primary interface. Nobody likes the web apps because they're slow. The Windows desktop sync client has…

> Nobody likes the web apps because they're slow.

Web apps don't have to be slow. I prefer web apps over system apps, as I don't have to install extra programs into my system and I have more control over those apps:

- a service decides it's a good idea to load some tracking stuff from 3rd-party? I just uMatrix block it;

- a page has an unwanted element? I just uBlock block it;

- a page could have a better look? I just userstyle style it;

- a page is missing something that could be added on client side? I just userscript script it

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by cbondurant »

I've used nextcloud for close to I think 8 years now as a replacement for google drive.

However my need for something like google drive has reduced massively, and nextcloud continues to be a massive maintenance pain due to its frustratingly fast release cadence.

I don't want to have to log into my admin account and baby it through a new release and migration every four months! Why aren't there any LTS branches? The amount of admin work that nextcloud requires only makes sense for when you legitimately have a whole group of people with accounts that are all utilizing it regularly.

This is honestly the kick in the pants I need to find a solution that actually fits my current use-case. (I just need to sync my fuckin keepass vault to my phone, man.) Syncthing looks promising with significantly less hassle...

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by imcritic »

bfkwlfkjf wrote: post #58

I've never used nextcloud, but I always imagined that the point is you can run services but then plug in any calendar app etc. You don't have to be running nextclouds calendar, I thought. Did I misundestand how it works?

Their calendar plugin provides CalDAV, so you could just use your local calendar app that syncs with the server over that protocol.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by aborsy »

A good thing thing about Nextcloud is that by learning one tool, you get a full suite of collaboration apps: sync, file sharing, calendar, notes, collectives, office (via Collabora or OnlyOffice), and more. These features are pretty good, plus, you get things like photo management and Talk, which are decent.

Sure, some people might argue that there are specialized tools for each of these functions. And that’s true. But the tradeoff is that you'd need to manage a lot more with individual services. With Nextcloud, you get a unified platform that might be good enough to run a company, even if it’s not very fast and some features might have bugs.

The AIO has addressed issues like update management and reliability, it been very good in my experience. You get a fully tested, ready-to-go package from Nextcloud.

That said, I wonder, if the platform were rewritten in a more performance-efficient language than PHP, with a simplified codebase and trimmed-down features, would it run faster? The UI could also be more polished (see Synology DSM web interface). The interface in Synology looks really nice!

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by kelvinjps10 »

exe34 wrote: post #59
palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

I use syncthing, I've got a folder shared between my phone, laptop and media center, and it just syncs everything easily.

I do the same it's so convenient

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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cbondurant wrote: post #72

I've used nextcloud for close to I think 8 years now as a replacement for google drive. However my need for something like google drive has reduced massively, and nextcloud continues to be a massive maintenance pain due to its frustratingly fast release cadence. I don't want to have to log into my admin account and baby it through a new release and migration every four months! Why aren't there any LTS branches? The a…

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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by imcritic »

8cvor6j844qw_d6 wrote: post #51

Is Nextcloud reliable enough for "production" use? Last time I heard a certain privacy community recommended against Nextcloud due to some issues with Nextcloud E2EE.

Kinda. In the long run you will definitely stumble upon a ton of bugs, but they mostly have some workarounds. Mostly.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by davidcollantes »

seemaze wrote: post #70
lompad wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Recently people built a super-lightweigt alternative, named copyparty[0]. To me that looks like it does everything people tend to need without all the bloat. [0]: https://github.com/9001/copyparty

I found copyparty to be too busy on the UI/UX side of things. I've settled on dufs[0], quick to deploy, fast to use use, and cross platform. [0] https://github.com/sigoden/dufs

Do you have a systemd for it, run it with Docker, or simply manually as needed? I find its simplicity perfect!

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by xingped »

I gave up on using Nextcloud because every time it updated it accumulated more and more errors and there was no way I was going to use a software that I had to troubleshoot every single update. Also the defaults for pictures are apparently quite stupid and so instead of making and showing tiny thumbnails for pictures, the thumbnails are unnecessarily large and loading the thumbnails for a folder of pictures takes forever. You can fix this and tell it to make smaller thumbnails apparently, but again, why am I having to fix everything myself? These should be sane defaults. Unfortunately, I just can't trust Nextcloud.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by johnsea »

lompad wrote: post #38
palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

Recently people built a super-lightweigt alternative, named copyparty[0]. To me that looks like it does everything people tend to need without all the bloat. [0]: https://github.com/9001/copyparty

This is not an alternative as it only covers files. Mind what is in the article: "I like what Nextcloud offers with its feature set and how easily it replaces a bunch of services under one roof (files, calendar, contacts, notes, to-do lists, photos etc.), but ".

For us Nextcloud AIO is the best thing under the sun. It works reasonably well for our small company (about 10 ppl) and saves us from Microsoft. I'm very grateful to the developers.

Hopefully they are able to act upon such findings or rewrite it with go :-). Mmh, if Berlin (Germany) wouldn't waste so much money in ill-advised ideology-driven and long-term state-destroying actions and "NGOs" they had enough money to fund 100s of such rewrites. Alas...

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