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Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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I'm curious as to the efficiency of the motor (basically, how much of the input electric power is converted to motive power). If it isn't very good, then it might be excellent for drag races, but maybe not so many others. Also, any power that doesn't turn into torque, is likely to be expressed as heat.

Exactly my thought as well. You can have all the horsepower you want but if it doesn't convert the electricity efficiently, it's not going to be useful for normal consumer cars.

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Could lead to significant efficiency gains for EV's, because 1/4 of the motor weight means better power-to-weight ratio... a lot of things will automatically get better. YASA was founded in 2009, a spin out from Oxford University following the PhD of founder and still CTO, Dr Tim Woolmer. "Over the decades that followed both of these technologies were explored. But despite the potential for weight reduction, smaller…

> This is awesome. Lighter motors also make electric flight more viable The next innovation we need is Aerial refueling[1] for electric planes. High density swappable batteries and high altitude wind/solar plants that can swap batteries mid air. Perhaps some billionaire will develop a large fleet of these to service all flights! If no western billionaires, we just have to wait for China to develop this tech. [1] http…

A sufficiently compact electric motor enables mounting it in the nose-wheel of commercial aircraft, allowing it to be driven around like a golf cart. This means the plane can taxi without the use of its engines, just the power from the APU. [1]

Also planes would not have to wait for a tug to pull back from the gate, which improves turnaround times for the airline.

[1] https://www.wheeltug.com/

Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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No wonder electrics don't sell well in the US. People weigh more, you're basically saying that leaving grandma at home, is a "game changer".

>> removing 200-300kg from a car in one go will be a game changer > No wonder electrics don't sell well in the US. People weigh more, you're basically saying that leaving grandma at home, is a "game changer". Even in the US, your average grandma weighs less than 2-300kg :D

[This post to prevent ulterior posting of "yo mama" jokes]

Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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Everything but the Metric System: “The new YASA axial flux motor weighs just 28 pounds, or about the same as a small dog.” :)

Americans are very weird when it comes to metric. They often quote mobile phones as having something like "a six inch screen size but now only 12mm thick" - pick a measurement system people !

The inch thing is because it's a screen: all screens are measured in inches pretty much everywhere, even in the EU

Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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Ok so whats the catch with the technology? Its more powerful, smaller, all readily available materials. Some kind of strange shape, longevity challenge? Difficult to make so costs are tough to bring down?

Just noticed that they are owned by mercedes benz- they will kill it accidentally. Corporate wont be able to roll it out. They will try and capture all the value and kill its potential

Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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But why limit only to cars? Can this be used for motorcycles, e-bikes, electric buses, train wheels, e-unicycles, electric golf carts, etc? There are probably a range of application where in-wheel makes perfect sense.

Motorcycles I could imagine. Do e-bikes really need significantly more power than they have? They already run arguably dangerously fast for their application. Is efficiency not the primary target there?

The motor to battery weight ratio on e-bike is much more than for cars. Having a lighter motor would improve the efficiency.

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But EVs are already heavy because of the battery. I suppose percentage-wise the motors don't make much of a difference (?)

Yea that's the thing right, the battery is so very much of the weight that optimizing the other parts are "meh" at this point. What is cool is that the 600Wh/kg solid state batteries seems like they are really finally here soon :) i.e removing 200-300kg from a car in one go will be a game changer.

Not true. Tesla themselves said the way they got the Model 3 to be so efficient was by optimising every single part exhaustively. It’s expensive at design stage but results in the most efficiency gains across the fleet - so worth it (especially something like the motors)

Re: Tiny electric motor can produce more than 1,000 horsepower

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But why limit only to cars? Can this be used for motorcycles, e-bikes, electric buses, train wheels, e-unicycles, electric golf carts, etc? There are probably a range of application where in-wheel makes perfect sense.

Motorcycles I could imagine. Do e-bikes really need significantly more power than they have? They already run arguably dangerously fast for their application. Is efficiency not the primary target there?

e-bikes don't necessarily need more power but they could benefit from a smaller and lighter motor. If it becomes small enough to "disappear" in the pedal assembly for example, it would allow more design/parts commonality with normal bikes and fit more people's aesthetic criteria.

The lower weight would be definitely welcome, my ebike is comically heavy compared to a normal one and sometimes I have to carry it up flights of stairs (some German railway overpasses, grr).

Also in scooters it could fit in the wheel (since the wheel is tiny and has to spin quite quickly - no reduction gear needed vs a bike with 26-28" rims) allowing a simpler design and cost savings. But maybe in scooters they're already using in-wheel motors, I'm a bit ignorant there.

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> This is awesome. Lighter motors also make electric flight more viable The next innovation we need is Aerial refueling[1] for electric planes. High density swappable batteries and high altitude wind/solar plants that can swap batteries mid air. Perhaps some billionaire will develop a large fleet of these to service all flights! If no western billionaires, we just have to wait for China to develop this tech. [1] http…

Surely it would be easier to recharge rather than swap batteries? I wonder if in the future war will be like a turn based strategy game as everyone wait for drones to recharge before making a move.

I don't see it working like that in Ukraine...
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