The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
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The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
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Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#2This sounded awfully much like Apple's app store process. Different details, but a horrible and unintuitive experience nonetheless.
Is it simply difficult to make a good developer signup workflow, or are both of these companies unmotivated to make any effort on the front?
Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#3>Now, about live accounts. You might know this: live accounts are tied to everything you do with Microsoft. So if you have an MSDN subscription, e.g. the one which costs over $5000.-, it's tied to this same live account. But the fun thing is, you can login with your live account to the MSDN subscriptions with just the account id and password. No additional code is mailed to you. While it gives you access to all Microsoft software available, including your licenses.
>Why the draconian security theater with this Windows Store, while all I want is to publish some desktop applications while on other Microsoft sites it's OK to simply sign in with your live account: no codes needed, no verification and no certificates?
Cannot believe he's serious. Doesn't he see the massive malware problem with Windows applications? Microsoft is going to such great lengths so that anyone submitting applications with malware, disguised or not, will have some accountability later. i.e Expect MS and/or law enforcement to come after you, that's why all the identity checking. Also, this discourages fly-by-night operations from trying to submit malware to the store.
Comparing that to MSDN login is a pretty invalid comparison. If someone hacks in to your MSDN account, MS potentially loses a few thousand worth of software. If people are able to distribute malware through Windows Store, care to estimate the damage caused by the inevitable headline "Microsoft Windows Store distributes malware" even though MS just links to the software ?
Apple's answer to this was to heavily sandbox OS X apps, due to which there was a lot of outcry with developers jumping ship to normal distribution.
Also note that Microsoft is not forcing developers to pay 30% of the desktop software sale price like Apple is, so the cost of those certificates might pay for itself down the line.
Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#4Is your bank run by like a 90-year-old man?
Because I have a bank-issued credit card also, and I can log in and see my activity, even pending purchases that haven't cleared yet.
Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#5>Now, about live accounts. You might know this: live accounts are tied to everything you do with Microsoft. So if you have an MSDN subscription, e.g. the one which costs over $5000.-, it's tied to this same live account. But the fun thing is, you can login with your live account to the MSDN subscriptions with just the account id and password. No additional code is mailed to you. While it gives you access to all Micro…
I believe the issues he is mentionning is the seemingly 'obscure' and convulted hoops you have to jump through. Security is of course very important, especially regarding the dissemination of malware.
However, security doesn't have to make you miserable as a developer, especially that MS desperately needs some apps to fill up it's 'shelves' on Win8.
In this case, if the flow of events and various milestones needed to sign up had been shown to the developer BEFORE he actually starts the process, it would save him many headaches and MS wouldn't seem like such an unwilling participant and making it's OWN platform looking so shoddy in the process.
Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#6Is your bank run by like a 90-year-old man? Because I have a bank-issued credit card also, and I can log in and see my activity, even pending purchases that haven't cleared yet.
Article: Wouldn't it be nice if things were, you know, digital, so things got done instantly?
Yea, so bank websites would show transactions immediately, you know?
Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#7Oh, the pains of spending all day filling out forms and spending $180 in licensing to become set up in the Windows store. The agony!
This sounds like the same signup process is in use for both M and Desktop apps. You could probably start making M-ui based programs too, and even host them in the store!
Why ARE you going through all of this effort, since you're so quick to point out the small the benefit to you? Why not just forget it all and just sell your programs from your own website? Do you regularly place yourself in disadvantaged situations so you'll have a reason to be angry later?
Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#8>Now, about live accounts. You might know this: live accounts are tied to everything you do with Microsoft. So if you have an MSDN subscription, e.g. the one which costs over $5000.-, it's tied to this same live account. But the fun thing is, you can login with your live account to the MSDN subscriptions with just the account id and password. No additional code is mailed to you. While it gives you access to all Micro…
> Also note that Microsoft is not forcing developers to pay 30% of the desktop software sale price like Apple is
"That percentage is 30%, unless and until your app takes in total Net Receipts of USD$25,000, after which time the percentage is 20% for that app."
So there's little or no difference for smaller developers.
Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#9>Now, about live accounts. You might know this: live accounts are tied to everything you do with Microsoft. So if you have an MSDN subscription, e.g. the one which costs over $5000.-, it's tied to this same live account. But the fun thing is, you can login with your live account to the MSDN subscriptions with just the account id and password. No additional code is mailed to you. While it gives you access to all Micro…
> Also note that Microsoft is not forcing developers to pay 30% of the desktop software sale price like Apple is "That percentage is 30%, unless and until your app takes in total Net Receipts of USD$25,000, after which time the percentage is 20% for that app." So there's little or no difference for smaller developers.
You're talking about Metro(WinRT) apps which are hosted and distributed by Microsoft.
The OP and the article are talking about desktop apps, which the store will only have a link to the developers website. The cut is zero for desktop apps.
Re: The Windows Store... why did I sign up with this mess again?
#10Oh, the pains of spending all day filling out forms and spending $180 in licensing to become set up in the Windows store. The agony! This sounds like the same signup process is in use for both M and Desktop apps. You could probably start making M-ui based programs too, and even host them in the store! Why ARE you going through all of this effort, since you're so quick to point out the small the benefit to you? Why no…
Not quite $180. More like $300 dollars for the first year, and potentially at least $800 a year after that. Apple's offer is generous by comparison. Or did you miss the part where the pricing is introductory on the required certificates?