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Lumia 920 low-light shootout with iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

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Re: Lumia 920 low-light shootout with iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

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Post by jjcm »

forgottenpaswrd wrote: post #14

Could could a company like Nokia have so bad marketing staff? If you have a good camera on a phone, please don't show me Finland in Autumn weather!! It is f*cking depressing!! Don't show me the streets in the night, don't show me the geek's house in the dark, don't show me a frigging cold calibration test. Now it is Spring in Argentina or New Zealand! Show me great places, show me light, show me flowers, show me colo…

The point was a low light test. "Show me light" really kinda ruins the whole experiment. A drow night shot of a city is an accurate portrayal of most of the night shots that will be taken by their target audience, so it makes sense for them to use it here.

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Post by jsnell »

forgottenpaswrd wrote: post #14

Could could a company like Nokia have so bad marketing staff? If you have a good camera on a phone, please don't show me Finland in Autumn weather!! It is f*cking depressing!! Don't show me the streets in the night, don't show me the geek's house in the dark, don't show me a frigging cold calibration test. Now it is Spring in Argentina or New Zealand! Show me great places, show me light, show me flowers, show me colo…

Um... You do understand that Engadget isn't on the payroll of Nokia, right? These are not marketing photos. They're photos taken by tech journalists who were visiting Finland, and were given a chance to get some try the camera out. Which is something they'd clearly be delighted to do, since due to the earlier controversy this makes for easy to sell news.

What exactly did you expect Nokia to do? Pass on this opportunity to set the record straight on the controversy from a few weeks ago? Tell them that they're only allowed to publish pictures of something appropriately vibrant and photogenic?

And your complaint about is ridiculous on another level. If you've ever seen actual Nokia marketing photos, e.g. for the N8 or the 808, they tend to be exactly what you asked for. Dramatic, colorful, lively photos from awesome locations all around the world. But such shots from Nokia marketing aren't particularly relevant in this case. First, the authenticity of their photos is questionable right now. Second, such photos aren't a particularly good way of highlighting the unique selling point of low light performance.

Re: Lumia 920 low-light shootout with iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

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Post by dmethvin »

forgottenpaswrd wrote: post #14

Could could a company like Nokia have so bad marketing staff? If you have a good camera on a phone, please don't show me Finland in Autumn weather!! It is f*cking depressing!! Don't show me the streets in the night, don't show me the geek's house in the dark, don't show me a frigging cold calibration test. Now it is Spring in Argentina or New Zealand! Show me great places, show me light, show me flowers, show me colo…

> Apple gets it, Nokia does not.

If by "it" you mean customer devotion when faced by evidence that Apple's camera is not technically as good as Nokia's or Apple's maps are not as good as Google's, then I agree. They call it cognitive dissonance.

It's okay to buy or own a product that's not the best at everything. These are just an attempt to show where Nokia's product is strong. I agree with you that Apple's ads are some of the best done, but that is far down on my list of things to consider when buying a phone.

Re: Lumia 920 low-light shootout with iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

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Post by Mythbusters »

sergiotapia wrote: post #10

"The 920 took the cake, without question, but the iPhone didn't fare too poorly itself, snatching up nearly as much light as the Nokia device" How can anybody take this article seriously? The difference between the Lumia and the IPhone 5 is night and day! Lumia looks very clear and bright, while the IPhone picture looks like a screenshot from Night of The Comet. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-unWVjA7__B0/Tpsek1bA9-I/AAAAA…

This one compares it to iPhone 4s, but the difference is day and night here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFhhBJ1URCg

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Post by stan_rogers »

ghshephard wrote: post #13

I almost wonder if the original article with the "faked video" wasn't a plant, and that they actually knew the results would be good, and this controversy would basically keep the Lumia 920 constantly in the press. Remember - this is a phone that has not yet been shipped yet.

The "faked" shots (apart from the image stabilization simulation -- which all of the major camera makers have done in ads at one time or another) were done with actual hardware/firmware prototypes, so although they weren't done with production samples (which didn't exist at the time), they were "real" in the sense that they used the same sensor, processing pipeline and optics as the production camera.

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Post by stan_rogers »

borlak wrote: post #24

do all these phones automatically vignette their pictures?

Pretty much, unless you use digital zoom (cropping) to get in tighter. It's not so much "automatic vignetting" as it is the result of using a lens that just barely covers the sensor with its image circle -- to avoid vignetting, they'd need to use either a much smaller aperture (and run into diffraction problems) or a much larger and more complex lens that wouldn't fit the phone form factor very well.

Re: Lumia 920 low-light shootout with iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

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Post by lwat »

stan_rogers wrote: post #26
ghshephard wrote: post #13

I almost wonder if the original article with the "faked video" wasn't a plant, and that they actually knew the results would be good, and this controversy would basically keep the Lumia 920 constantly in the press. Remember - this is a phone that has not yet been shipped yet.

The "faked" shots (apart from the image stabilization simulation -- which all of the major camera makers have done in ads at one time or another) were done with actual hardware/firmware prototypes, so although they weren't done with production samples (which didn't exist at the time), they were "real" in the sense that they used the same sensor, processing pipeline and optics as the production camera.

Source?

Re: Lumia 920 low-light shootout with iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

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Post by Mythbusters »

lwat wrote: post #28
stan_rogers wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "faked" shots (apart from the image stabilization simulation -- which all of the major camera makers have done in ads at one time or another) were done with actual hardware/firmware prototypes, so although they weren't done with production samples (which didn't exist at the time), they were "real" in the sense that they used the same sensor, processing pipeline and optics as the production camera.

Source?

I think he is referring to the photos that they displayed on the day it was revealed. The pictures are there on nokia site and are equaly impressive. http://www.nokia.com/global/products/pureview/

Re: Lumia 920 low-light shootout with iPhone 5, HTC One X and Galaxy S III

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Post by notJim »

mtgx wrote: post #7

The difference is a lot smaller when Galaxy S3 and One X use "night mode", so they are both capable of doing much better in the night (sorry for the weird link - it's from Google). http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iL605sRTn_Y/UEy2V15bD9I/AAAAAAAARm... The question is why don't they do that automatically like the Lumia 920? Perhaps to save energy?

Can you link to the article you took this from? Looks like The Verge, but I couldn't find it.
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