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Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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Any chance the resin/polymer will come down in price if this catches on?

I'd say that's almost inevitable.

Why do programmers always assume every field is just like computing? Not everything gets cheaper.

Chemistry is a mature industry. Photopolymers are 50+ years old, and unpatented. There's no real reason to believe UV-cure resin will ever get much below $100/litre, which is a solid 10 times more expensive than ABS.

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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I'd say that's almost inevitable.

Why do programmers always assume every field is just like computing? Not everything gets cheaper. Chemistry is a mature industry. Photopolymers are 50+ years old, and unpatented. There's no real reason to believe UV-cure resin will ever get much below $100/litre, which is a solid 10 times more expensive than ABS.

And what's their market size? Why are you assuming there will be no economies of scale?

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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About what I paid for my first inkjet printer (because I couldn't afford a LaserWriter). Or another way of thinking about it -- rather than upgrading to an FX digital camera this generation, I can skip a generation, live with my insanely-good-but-not-that-insanely-good DX camera and get one of these. Obviously, the whole "giving $3000 to someone and trusting them to deliver" thing is a bit of an issue, but presumably…

I wonder if calling it a 'Pre-order', on their site, gives customers a better case if they don't deliver.

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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The call to action link says: "Pre-Order on Kickstarter" They must have not gotten the "Kickstarter is not a store" memo. They appear to be ready to pull the trigger on their manufacturing partners, so this is sort of a "how big should we make the first run?" type of kickstarter rather than a "let's create something awesome". Details… • Stereolithography printer (laser, not extruder) • Much nicer than extruder style…

"Pre-Order on Kickstarter"

While this may not be within the stated KS rules, as an idea this sounds useful.

The main obstacle with many overseas factory-made cheap electronics projects is indeed "how big should we make the first run?"

Is this not a problem we need to solve? Look at the Raspberry Pi.

For the entrepreneur, maybe "let's manufacture something awesome" requires pre-orders. Maybe it requires committments.

We need some better way to connect consumers, entrepreneurs and factories.

Maybe KS is not it, but isn't it something we should look toward?

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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Fully funded in under 12 hours. 708 hours to go. For something that is ready to enter manufacturing I think a pre-order model is appropriate. I'd be alarmed if someone used those words on an idea or something in the middle of the prototyping process. A "donate now" button for a commercial venture is an instant and permanent red flag for me.

> For something that is ready to enter manufacturing I think a pre-order model is appropriate. Do you have proof this is the case?

The video of it fully operational & functioning, perhaps?

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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Great looking printer. I'm an owner of a B9, it seems the only disadvantage of the Formlabs if you can call it that is that the feature size can't be smaller than 300 microns. For any square, structural shapes the B9 has an advantage here as it can render x/y pixels down to 50 microns at the smaller build size and 100 micron pixels at the 4"x3"x8" envelope. In every other situation however, the laser of the Formlabs I'd think would have the ability to trace around any curved features with a higher level of precision as it's not limited by pixel density. SLA is a slower process as the laser has to fill in each layer until it can transfer to the next layer, whereas DLP projector-based tech cures an entire layer with each projection cycle. I think the B9 can do about an inch per hour depending on the properties of the resin formulation. Great to see you guys giving the monopolies some competition, don't sell out!

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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Good job guys! The results look amazing and the device itself looks beautiful.

Great looking printer. I'm an owner of a B9, it seems the only disadvantage of the Formlabs if you can call it that is that the feature size can't be smaller than 300 microns. For any square, structural shapes the B9 has an advantage here as it can render x/y pixels down to 50 microns at the smaller build size and 100 micron pixels at the 4"x3"x8" envelope. In every other situation however, the laser of the Formlabs I'd think would have the ability to trace around any curved features with a higher level of precision as it's not limited by pixel density. SLA is a slower process as the laser has to fill in each layer until it can transfer to the next layer, whereas DLP projector-based tech cures an entire layer with each projection cycle. I think the B9 can do about an inch per hour depending on the properties of the resin formulation. Great to see you guys giving the monopolies some competition, don't sell out!

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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This might be a kind of dumb idea, but I would love it if somebody created a Kickstarter project to create a manufacturing and distribution plant for Kickstarter projects...(obviously, would require a huge investment for all of the machining equipment).

Actually, I'm waiting for someone to create the Kickstarter that people seem to think Kickstarter is: a way to get pre orders for a new product. I mean seriously, there are a lot of people using Kickstarter for this and now they've explicitly said that's not what it's for. So, Entrepreneurial Opportunity. There's obviously a lot of people who need this kind of "pre-order aggregator" service. So when will a motivated…

I guess this is something along those lines: http://outgrow.me/

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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> For something that is ready to enter manufacturing I think a pre-order model is appropriate. Do you have proof this is the case?

The video of it fully operational & functioning, perhaps?

No, perhaps not. There is no visual difference between a well made prototype and a zero-batch machine or even a production item. But there is a huge difference in the amount of work that needs to be done to get from the one to the other. Sometimes years.

The last 10% takes 90% of the time is true in hardware manufacturing just as much or more as it is in software.

Re: Formlabs: High Resolution 3D Printer

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Sad prediction: the future of 3D printing will be cheap printers [that require/are subsidized by] proprietary resins.

I actually think it could be more extreme. The printer industry is the way it is because most people don't really need one, so customers skimp instead of optimizing for long-term usage. I predict even fewer people will need devoted 3D printers in their homes - especially if there are local versions at a place like staples/kinkos.

that is, until we're printing food. The French Culinary Institute has been working on 3D food printers for years.
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