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Re: Apple reports fourth quarter results

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Which it should be noted, may not even have a laptop. Probably not a desktop even.

> Probably not a desktop even. I'd be more surprised if they had a desktop than a laptop.

Gaming PCs are very often desktops, though I think those tend to be used more like consoles nowadays, not general purpose computers.

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I really don't get how people do research work (like finding good flight tickets, or comparing hotels to stay in for a trip) without a computer. I really cannot stand seeing websites in a small screen without the ability to quickly open 4 browser windows with 4 tabs each for different combinations of dates, for example.

> I really don't get how people do research work … without a computer People used to do it in their heads. Einstein, Tolkien, Hawking, Newton, Shakespeare, Euclid, Archimedes. With paper being an storage medium they occasionally saved to :) > (like finding good flight tickets, or comparing hotels to stay in for a trip) Heck I was doing EXACTLY that on an iPhone while loafing at a friend's just now, because I wanted t…

That's an exceptionally high bar of talent and creativity. For the 99.999+% of us, the computer and the mobile has made completion of many tasks highly efficient. Like surfing HN on a lazy Saturday morning...

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> These are all relatively simple TO YOU. You are not everyone though. Some people lack the mobility, strength or even time to do these things. Some people just don't want to get dirty working on their car. Some people don't have the space to do these kinds of maintenance. That is irrelevant to the argument he is making that things have not gotten harder in the last 40 years in regards to car maintenance that you can…

No, I think the other side has a point. If I were doing 10 services on my car, I would have muscle memory of a lot of things. If I am doing only brakes, and maybe another thing, I do not have that muscle memory. While the work may not be harder, the familiarity is gone for a lot of people. BTW just before Covid, or during Covid, I took a car mechanic course from the local De Anza college - no hands on, so that's why…

I took several car mechanic classes from De Anza college. Great instructor, and I did do some hands on stuff.

But my primary takeaway was that this is hard & dirty work, and there are numerous ways in which you can make mistakes that ruin the car and/or endanger your safety, so generally paying a professional to do it is a more sensible way.

Of course, if you enjoy doing this, or have a very old car, or more time than money, the trade-offs are different.

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> Probably not a desktop even. I'd be more surprised if they had a desktop than a laptop.

Gaming PCs are very often desktops, though I think those tend to be used more like consoles nowadays, not general purpose computers.

My anecdata is that the households I know that have desktops are gamers, yes, but:

- the desktops in question tend to be "exclusively" used by one member of the household

- the desktop owners usually also have a laptop

- the desktop-owning households are well in the minority of households I know

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Won where? Android has about 70% market share and there are countries where only rich people get to use iOS devices. Other population layers also need phones and digital services.

Android has the biggest market share, but way less margins than Apple; this is true for both phone and the App segments.

It is hard to get profits from people that don't buy an iPhone.

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post #245

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Won where? Android has about 70% market share and there are countries where only rich people get to use iOS devices. Other population layers also need phones and digital services.

For companies revenue and especially profit margin share usually matters much more. If an iPhone user in the US etc. is worth >= 10x more than an user in a third world country (both for manufacturers and ad/service providers that’s a win). Apple could probably get > 50% market share in those countries if they significantly reduced their margins (they’d still be profitable but of course it makes little sense m)

There are 195 official countries in the world, many of those have close to zero iPhone customers, and surely the companies on those countries also need customers.

Truth is Apple doesn't care about those countries where regular citizens cannot afford Apple, they see themselves as the Ferrari, Bentley, Karan Acoustics, ... of the computer world.

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I pay full price, and use cheap MVNOs for phone service. Ends up being much cheaper and no mobile carrier shenanigans polluting my phones, sim lock, etc.

You didn't trade in your old phone?

I do trade in with Apple, or resell it.

Re: Apple reports fourth quarter results

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No, iPad is not bigger than Mac. It's smaller. Look again at the numbers.

Yeah, but since the average Mac costs >3x the average iPad, we're still talking about 2-3x the number of iPad sales as Mac sales

The OP was referring to dollar sales, not unit sales.

Apple no longer announces unit sales. In any case, it has always been true that Mac Average Selling Price is much higher than iPad Average Selling Price. In the sense of unit sales, iPad is bigger than Mac and has been for many years, so in that respect the 2024 Q4 results would not prove anything new.

The OP was giving a false narrative about future growth that is contrary to what recent quarterly results have shown.

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I have literally watched my in-laws plan and book a vacation from their smartphones. From their house, where they also have computers. They're quite different from my side of the family, but the biggest thing is that they've never been big planners. Everything is by the seat of their pants. If you're like that, you're probably OK with taking one of the first three SEO-optimized search results and making it work. Mean…

How often do you get a meaningfully better result than google.com/flights? Outside of booking with points, it's all basically the same thing and I can book on google on my phone in under a minute

Yes the results are pretty much all there on Google Flights

But if you want to shuffle times/dates/different choices of flights to find the "best one" (which does not mean the cheapest one with weird connections)

Re: Apple reports fourth quarter results

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Dude, you've got to check every possible combination of departure and arrival dates from each different nearby airport then check everything again as one ways using different carriers then compare paying cash to using points then compare Airbnb to hotels then recheck the flights to make sure that paying slightly more for different dates or routes wouldn't be offset by saving more on the hotel... then you can book. Ta…

At this point, don't AI agents help a lot with this and diminish the need for the workflow you're describing?

You will still need to verify their hallucinations.
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