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A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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I suspect it's also a defense against antitrust law suits - lock in was how they got sued for things circa Internet Explorer. Frankly they should still be getting sued for the way Edge and Cortana are bundled.

Then Apple should get sued for bundling Safari, and also for forcing all browser engines on iOS to use Safari - which is way worse than anything Microsoft ever did with IE.

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Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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Or you could just tell everyone out there that there are already tons of older Android devices which will never get any of these hostile updates, and if you're a developer, make sure your app runs on those older versions. Spread the word about how hostile the newer devices are, and let the lazy masses do what they're best at doing. Of course there will always be rabid bootlickers who will gladly pay to put Google's noose around their necks, but if they become the minority, and the majority just stops upgrading, it could very effectively pull control of Android away from Google. Giving everyone yet another reason to not upgrade, especially given the huge Android marketshare in poorer countries, could become a powerful force.

Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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Or you could just tell everyone out there that there are already tons of older Android devices which will never get any of these hostile updates, and if you're a developer, make sure your app runs on those older versions. Spread the word about how hostile the newer devices are, and let the lazy masses do what they're best at doing. Of course there will always be rabid bootlickers who will gladly pay to put Google's n…

i thought google was going to push this as an update to play services , thus affecting all models

Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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Or you could just tell everyone out there that there are already tons of older Android devices which will never get any of these hostile updates, and if you're a developer, make sure your app runs on those older versions. Spread the word about how hostile the newer devices are, and let the lazy masses do what they're best at doing. Of course there will always be rabid bootlickers who will gladly pay to put Google's n…

Good luck with unsecure phone This is clearly a bad idea.

Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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Well, I'd rather verify myself with the government identity than accept a stock OS that literally woke me up with a fake message promoting Gemini despite me spending almost 2 hours turning every possible privacy-invasive setting off. To me, the attention to these verification changes seems misplaced. We need to defend the ability to unlock the bootloader, pressure Google to revive AOSP and then encourage people to sw…

In my opinion, the only solution while keeping Google and Apple as the developing entities is regulation. Despite that, there are some things that should not be for profit in my opinion. A good OS platform is one such thing.

I agree but I also think any meaningful regulation is off the table for the next few years in the USA at least.

Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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I think this means we need to rely on web technologies more. PWAs are looking pretty good on mobile devices these days and you can publish any web app you want with no reviewing authority. The web has a bunch of crazy APIs now that let you build crazy things and for everything else you're a hosted server away somewhere that can run more complex jobs.

I believe devices I own should let me do whatever I want with them and I agree that the verification is BS, but I'll work around it in the ways I can which means building more for the web.

If that ever drops the open pretense (since both traffic and trust authority are largely centralized and thus easily controllable) then I'll only write for self hosted linux boxes.

We as individuals can only do so much. We'd need actual organization and some measure of political power to do anything more since normal people do not care about this.

Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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I think this means we need to rely on web technologies more. PWAs are looking pretty good on mobile devices these days and you can publish any web app you want with no reviewing authority. The web has a bunch of crazy APIs now that let you build crazy things and for everything else you're a hosted server away somewhere that can run more complex jobs. I believe devices I own should let me do whatever I want with them…

I thought Brent Simmons did a great job laying out why PWAs don't work: https://inessential.com/2025/10/04/why-netnewswire-is-not-we...

The tl;dr is that a PWA implies an app which is based in the cloud. So suddenly you need a server, and you need to store user data, which means costs and dealing with privacy and security.

Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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While it is technically feasible, it is not a good idea to try and find a technical solution to a people/organisation problem. Do not accept the premise of assholes. I hope we can get the EU to fund a truly open Android Fork. Maybe under some organisation similar to NL Labs. --- edit --- Furthermore, the need for a trustworthy binary to be auditable to a certain hash or something would make banning this a simple task…

> I hope we can get the EU to fund a truly open Android Fork. How are things in the EU on whether it's legal to buy a SIM card without showing ID?

> How are things in the EU on whether it's legal to buy a SIM card without showing ID?

It varies per country. In some you can just buy one (or more) SIM cards at a supermarket without any ID.

Re: A theoretical way to circumvent Android developer verification

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So like LiveContainer[1] which works around ios's signing requirements [1] https://github.com/LiveContainer/LiveContainer

Whoa that is neat! How does that not get shut down by Apple?

They don't allow it in the app store, so you have a chicken-and-egg problem...
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