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Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Re: Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Post by bduerst »

sabret00the wrote: post #13

If we're honest, this is hardly surprising. Before Nokia made it's commitment to Microsoft, they were a company at the forefront of phone technology, including their cameras. However, what this does actually do is beg the question of why they opted for Microsoft. I'm without a doubt in my mind that if they were making Androids right now, they'd be dominating.

I'm not sure about that. The Android market is the mobile-cost leader market, and has already experienced the race to the bottom.

To be profitable in the low cost game you need to have market share. Being a late comer to the Android game, Nokia would be hard pressed to make a profit with Android phones.

Nokia instead is gambling with MS to capture the "buy-in" market using Microsoft's enterprise. This market was previously known as Blackberry's.

Re: Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Post by jakejake »

I think if you were trying to hold a still shot the image stabilization will work great. When moving around, though, both cameras still look pretty bad to me. The rolling shutter I think is still the weakest link. To be fair, even high-end DSLRs don't have that solved, but it would be great to see somebody come up with a solution.

Re: Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Post by objclxt »

randallu wrote: post #26
potatolicious wrote: post #4

sigh So the OIS actually does work as well as claimed, which boggles the mind why they felt they had to fake it in the ad.

So maybe The Verge's whole freakout over it was completely unwarranted? Maybe Nokia knew what the effect of OIS would be when they made the ad -- after having done the R&D to develop the camera in the first place?

I disagree: I think it was somewhat warranted. The fact the end-result looks similar to the faked result is beside the point.

Many countries, the US included, have decided that if you cannot fake product demos in advertising unless it is clear that's what's going on. Hence the "Sequences Shortened" text on the iPhone ads.

It is rather unethical to produce a marketing video that fakes functionality and doesn't make it clear that's what's going on. You may well not be over-exaggerating anything, but personally I don't think that's relevant.

Re: Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Post by hospadam »

mtgx wrote: post #30
hospadam wrote: post #29

On one hand - the image stabilization on the Lumia appears to be great. However, the image quality on both the iPhone 5 & Galaxy S3 were much worse than I've experienced in day to day use. I've used both phones personally - and the video quality on the iPhone and GS3 is much better than what was shown (even if it's not "stable"). Any idea on why the quality on those was much lower than in real life?

Were you walking while filming? He wouldn't be able to showcase the differences in image stabilization for each phone if he tried to stay as still as possible.

Yes, in my day-to-day use of each camera I've been moving. I guess my point is - there seems to be a massive quality degradation in what I've seen from personal use.

Re: Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Post by barista »

potatolicious wrote: post #4

sigh So the OIS actually does work as well as claimed, which boggles the mind why they felt they had to fake it in the ad.

I doubt I'd call it faked. Would you call siri ads faked? Everybody who has used it can vouch that it just doesn't work let alone in noisy downtown.

It was a promo video used when revealing a product (not an ad broadcast on TV) that was trying to prove a point that OIS is important and can make pictures and videos look beautiful. The verge and all other sites that did the detective work was purely for the sake of page views. No substance there...

Re: Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Post by untog »

objclxt wrote: post #43
randallu wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So maybe The Verge's whole freakout over it was completely unwarranted? Maybe Nokia knew what the effect of OIS would be when they made the ad -- after having done the R&D to develop the camera in the first place?

I disagree: I think it was somewhat warranted. The fact the end-result looks similar to the faked result is beside the point. Many countries, the US included, have decided that if you cannot fake product demos in advertising unless it is clear that's what's going on. Hence the "Sequences Shortened" text on the iPhone ads. It is rather unethical to produce a marketing video that fakes functionality and doesn't make it…

I would argue that the "Sequences Shorted" text doesn't make anything clear at all. It's a barely noticeable cop-out.

Re: Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Post by barista »

mtgx wrote: post #11
yread wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes sense 920 has 26mm focal length, S3 16mm, iPhone 5 33mm (equivalents). Smaller focal length - wider field of view so it makes sense that iPhone feels zoomed in. I can't see the difference for S3, though. Magic?

But even the iPhone 5 looks more zoomed in then Lumia 920, though. Look at the initial filming, when he films the other people filming him. They are bigger on the iPhone. The quality is poorer as well.

read the message above you. The lenses have different focal length. 920 gives you broader field of view so you can get wider picture and more light. iPhone doesn't. That's why iPhone looks zoomed in.

Re: Actual OIS performance: Lumia 920 against iPhone 5, Galaxy S III, HTC One X

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Post by barista »

mtgx wrote: post #12
joeblau wrote: post #8

I don't understand why Nokia doesn't just make a commercial instead of some home movie blog post? Their tech is better so advertise that; Part of Apples success is controlling the 5W's of presenting their information to customers. Another thing is that if engineers with DSLR's are Nokias marketing department, they are in big trouble.

They did but they did it with a professional camera and implied it's the Lumia 920, when it wasn't. I'd be fine with them doing a commercial but actually using the device to show its capabilities. Filming with a much more advanced camera and then saying "that's how Lumia 920 does it, too" is just false advertising, and that's what they did initially.

so you are convinced that Apple used siri in all those commercials they show?
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