How OpenAI uses complex and circular deals to fuel its multibillion-dollar rise
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#32Isn't paying a company to dig a hole who then pays you the same amount to fill said hole illegal?
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#33I’ve been listening to “The Smartest Guys In The Room” (the definitive book on Enron and their scandal) and one of the ways Enron continued to grow and grow is by setting up a really complicated system of moving debt onto equities off of their balance sheet. While it was sorta legal (at the time) it was not ethical and led to a massive collapse of the #1 company at the time. Makes you wonder if AI is in such a bubble…
When the AI bubble pops, what will happen to the software engineering jobs?
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#34Given that AI is a national security matter now, I'd expect the U.S.A to step in and rescue certain companies in the event of a crash. However, I'd give higher chances to NVIDIA than OpenAI. Weights are easily transferrable and the expertise is in the engineers, but ability to continue making advanced chips is not as easily transferred.
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#35I’ve been listening to “The Smartest Guys In The Room” (the definitive book on Enron and their scandal) and one of the ways Enron continued to grow and grow is by setting up a really complicated system of moving debt onto equities off of their balance sheet. While it was sorta legal (at the time) it was not ethical and led to a massive collapse of the #1 company at the time. Makes you wonder if AI is in such a bubble…
When the AI bubble pops, what will happen to the software engineering jobs?
Or maybe not, nobody knows the future any more then next guy in line.
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#36These kinds of deals were very much a la mode just prior to the .com crash. Companies would buy advertising, then the websites and ad agencies would buy their services and they'd spend it again on advertising. The end result is immense revenues without profits.
I'd gander a guess that there's nothing tech specific here and that fraudulent schemes are well defined for the SEC and commercial courts to take action if something is not kosher
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#37- Nvidia has too much cash because of massive profits and has nowhere to reinvest them internally.
- Nvidia instead invests in other companies that use their gpus by providing them deals that must be spent on nvidia products.
- This accelerates the growth of these companies, drives further lock in to nvidia's platform, and gives nvidia an equity stake in these companies.
- Since growth for these companies is accelerated, future revenue will be brought forward for nvidia and since these investments must be spent on nvidia gpus it drives further lock in to their platform.
- Nvidia also benefits from growth due to the equity they own.
This is all dependent on token economics being or becoming profitable. Everything seems to indicate that once the models are trained, they are extremely profitable and that training is the big money drain. If these models become massively profitable (or at least break even) then I don't see how this doesn't benefit Nvidia massively.
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#38Re: How OpenAI uses complex and circular deals to fuel its multibillion-dollar rise
#39The first example basically stands in for all of them -- Microsoft invests $13B in OpenAI, and OpenAI spends $13B on Azure. This is literally just OpenAI purchasing Microsoft cloud usage with OpenAI's stock rather than its cash. There is nothing unusual, illicit, or deceptive about this. This is entirely normal. You can finance your spending through debt or equity. They're financing through equity, as most startups do, and they presumably get a better deal (better rates, more guaranteed access) via Microsoft than via other random investors and then buying the cloud compute retail from Microsoft.
This isn't deceiving any investors. This is all out in the open. And it's entirely normal business practice. Nothing of this is an indicator of a bubble or anything.
Or take the deal with Oracle -- Oracle is building data centers for OpenAI, with the guarantee that OpenAI will use them. That's just... a regular business deal. What is even newsworthy about this? NYT thinks these are "circular" deals, but by this logic every deal is a "circular" deal, because both sides benefit. This is just... normal capitalism.