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How OpenAI uses complex and circular deals to fuel its multibillion-dollar rise

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Re: How OpenAI uses complex and circular deals to fuel its multibillion-dollar rise

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I’ve been listening to “The Smartest Guys In The Room” (the definitive book on Enron and their scandal) and one of the ways Enron continued to grow and grow is by setting up a really complicated system of moving debt onto equities off of their balance sheet.

While it was sorta legal (at the time) it was not ethical and led to a massive collapse of the #1 company at the time.

Makes you wonder if AI is in such a bubble. (It is).

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Hank green did a vlog on this a few weeks ago and it’s a great explainer.

This one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz0oQ0v0W10

This comment is pretty depressing but it seems to be the path we're headed to:

> It's bad enough that people think fake videos are real, but they also now think real videos are fake. My channel is all wildlife that I filmed myself in my own yard, and I've had people leaving comments that it's AI, because the lighting is too pretty or the bird is too cute. The real world is pretty and cute all the time, guys! That's why I'm filming it!

Combine this with selecting only what you want to believe in and you can say that video/image that goes against your "facts" is "fake AI". We already have some people in pretty powerful positions doing this to manipulate their bases.

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I honestly don’t get it. People love being swindled? Or people have enough cash to throw into the swindling machine even for no gain? Must be nice.

You can do a lot of money in swindles and bubbles if you time your exit well. There is a fair bit of opportunistic investors who did well in the NFT craze, who speculated knowing fully well that NFT is a craze that will go to zero.

everything will eventually go to zero. we look at some of these things and laugh because we're pretty sure they're going to go to zero within weeks or months vs years. but by the end of all of our lifetimes, most the companies on the stock market will be replaced. the few that won't are probably investment banks like goldman sachs

Re: How OpenAI uses complex and circular deals to fuel its multibillion-dollar rise

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I’ve been listening to “The Smartest Guys In The Room” (the definitive book on Enron and their scandal) and one of the ways Enron continued to grow and grow is by setting up a really complicated system of moving debt onto equities off of their balance sheet. While it was sorta legal (at the time) it was not ethical and led to a massive collapse of the #1 company at the time. Makes you wonder if AI is in such a bubble…

When the AI bubble pops, what will happen to the software engineering jobs?

Re: How OpenAI uses complex and circular deals to fuel its multibillion-dollar rise

#27

Isn't paying a company to dig a hole who then pays you the same amount to fill said hole illegal?

Even worse in VAT countries where such carousels make you eligible for a tax return on technically zero added value

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Given that AI is a national security matter now, I'd expect the U.S.A to step in and rescue certain companies in the event of a crash. However, I'd give higher chances to NVIDIA than OpenAI. Weights are easily transferrable and the expertise is in the engineers, but ability to continue making advanced chips is not as easily transferred.

Re: How OpenAI uses complex and circular deals to fuel its multibillion-dollar rise

#30

These kinds of deals were very much a la mode just prior to the .com crash. Companies would buy advertising, then the websites and ad agencies would buy their services and they'd spend it again on advertising. The end result is immense revenues without profits.

I'd gander a guess that there's nothing tech specific here and that fraudulent schemes are well defined for the SEC and commercial courts to take action if something is not kosher
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