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A change of address led to our Wise accounts being shut down

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Re: A change of address led to our Wise accounts being shut down

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If anyone opened this and still has it open, please paste the contents here so we can read it.

The article details the story of a business that tried to change their address in NZ. Thier documents (while correct to NZ) didn’t match the criteria of Wise and then Wise effectively closed the account. The support and appeal process was basically nonexistent and even by the end article it is unclear that the business owner were even able to retrieve the funds in the Wise accounts. Also the author’s personal account with Wise was also closed.

I hope this is a very brief overview of the article, which I would encourage people to read. In speaks to the huge imbalance in power and accountability in dealing with some companies

Re: A change of address led to our Wise accounts being shut down

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As a Wise user, only for personal international transactions, I'm very curious to read this! I've had good experiences so far.

I do dozens of transactions every month sending payments to various freelancers. Been doing this for five years and can count the numbers of times I hand problems making payments on one hand - all we're minor and resolved in just a few days.

Re: A change of address led to our Wise accounts being shut down

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post #7

If anyone opened this and still has it open, please paste the contents here so we can read it.

For years, one of my businesses has been a regular user of Wise (formerly TransferWise). Wise is a financial service that lets you send and receive money across currencies, often at a better rate and lower fee than traditional banks. Sounds great, right?

Until it isn’t.

This is our story – a sobering, frustrating, and frankly appalling experience that ended with our business and personal accounts being shut down, without any meaningful reason, support, or recourse.

And all we did? We updated our address.

A Routine Change Turned Nightmare Like many businesses, we recently moved into a new office. Alongside the usual updates to suppliers and records, we updated our physical address with Wise. Not long after, we received an email requesting us to verify the new address.

Fair enough – we had no problem with that.

Wise provided a dropdown list of acceptable documents: a lease agreement, rates notice, tax document, utilities bill, or telecommunications bill. Due to our company structure, most of those documents are in the name of our parent company or show our PO Box (which NZ Post requires, since they won’t deliver to our street address). But we had a telecommunications bill that ticked every box:

Correct entity name Correct physical street address Even detailed our fibre connection at the new premises So we uploaded it – and assumed that would be the end of it.

We were so wrong.

The Call That Made No Sense Days later, we received an email: our document was rejected.

No clear reason. So, I called Wise and explained the situation to the customer service representative.

Her response left me stunned.

“The document was rejected because it was a tax invoice, not a bill.”

Wait… what?

I paused, trying to process this. I politely explained that in New Zealand, a “tax invoice” is a legal form of a bill – even down to the name “tax invoice” being a legal requirement by IRD, and that’s how telecommunications companies issue invoices here. But she refused to accept it.

“It needs to say Telecommunications Bill at the top,” she insisted.

“A tax invoice isn’t acceptable.”

This is simply not true, and completely out of touch with New Zealand’s business documentation standards. The rep wouldn’t budge.

The “Solution” That Was Beyond Belief Still trying to find a solution, I asked: what do you recommend I do then?

Her answer?

“You should find a local shared workspace, lease a desk under your company name, change your registered office to that address, and use that lease document to verify your address with us.”

Yes, you read that right.

Wise’s advice was to artificially lease a desk we didn’t need, change our registered address, and use that document – just to verify an address we actually operate from.

I asked to speak to a manager. That request was refused. She told me, flatly:

“I am providing you with the correct information.”

A bit more back and forth… then the call was disconnected.

A Glimmer of Hope – Then The Hammer Falls Later that day, I received a call back from Wise – not from a manager (because apparently, Wise doesn’t have managers), but from a more “senior” representative.

This rep was more empathetic and agreed the document should have been acceptable. She escalated the issue, resubmitted the document herself, and said she’d personally follow up if it was rejected again.

Progress, I thought.

Until the next morning.

“We’ve Restricted Your Account” I woke to an email with a stunning subject line:

“We’ve restricted your account”

Just like that, our entire business account was locked. No warning. No reason. No discussion.

We could no longer send or receive money, use our Wise cards, or even contact support. The email stated:

“Due to our current risk policies, your account will be closed in a few months. You will not be able to use support channels.”

Even worse? My personal Wise account was locked too. The same personal account which did have its address fully verified, by a rates invoice for my personal address.

Both had funds inside.

Re: A change of address led to our Wise accounts being shut down

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It feels like particularly in finance, that startups who disrupt traditional players do so without a full understanding of all the corner cases and none of the regulatory accountability which is why those traditional finance players were so expensive in the first place.

Re: A change of address led to our Wise accounts being shut down

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> a dropdown list of acceptable documents: a lease agreement, rates notice, tax document, utilities bill, or telecommunications bill.

It’s baffling to me that these types of (usually unsigned in both the electronic and the ink way, not that the latter would prove anything in a scan) PDFs are still somehow the gold standard for “proofs” of address.

Re: A change of address led to our Wise accounts being shut down

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I'm not really sure what the author expected. If you're in KYC and ask to speak to a manager when your document gets rejected, you're going to have a bad time. The person processing your documents can't give you leeway even if they wanted to, they have legal requirements and a process they must follow.

Re: A change of address led to our Wise accounts being shut down

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post #26

> a dropdown list of acceptable documents: a lease agreement, rates notice, tax document, utilities bill, or telecommunications bill. It’s baffling to me that these types of (usually unsigned in both the electronic and the ink way, not that the latter would prove anything in a scan) PDFs are still somehow the gold standard for “proofs” of address.

In many countries worldwide that's the reasonable best option. A scan of a physically signed piece of paper is no better, anyone could've signed it. So long as there is no global standard for digitally signed documents, that's what we're stuck with, no?
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