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Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by tehwebguy »

chii wrote: post #13
tomaytotomato wrote: post #11

There was a blog post on here the other day about moving back to bare metal hosting with practical explanations and problem solving. Cloud is great but its just borrowing someone else's machine for a fee. It's like a hyper-scalable and granular mainframe but like all mainframes, the client is powerless without it. We need to get our acts together and not allow ourselves to be smothered in silicon nimbus (clouds) and…

> Yes it takes time to manage and get up to speed, but that's empowering right....? I rather not, but instead these compute clouds should be treated similarly to utilities - you don't really want to be running your own generators for electricity do you? So why is it that we can setup utilities properly, where everybody can trust that it stays on and usable for a price low enough? My theory is that vendor lock in is t…

Sort of an aside but utilities are done differently in many states and the expansion they are doing specifically to accommodate data centers is going to massively increase consumer rates

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by reorder9695 »

chii wrote: post #13
tomaytotomato wrote: post #11

There was a blog post on here the other day about moving back to bare metal hosting with practical explanations and problem solving. Cloud is great but its just borrowing someone else's machine for a fee. It's like a hyper-scalable and granular mainframe but like all mainframes, the client is powerless without it. We need to get our acts together and not allow ourselves to be smothered in silicon nimbus (clouds) and…

> Yes it takes time to manage and get up to speed, but that's empowering right....? I rather not, but instead these compute clouds should be treated similarly to utilities - you don't really want to be running your own generators for electricity do you? So why is it that we can setup utilities properly, where everybody can trust that it stays on and usable for a price low enough? My theory is that vendor lock in is t…

It's not unheard of near me in a rural area to have a diesel generator in your garage as the electricity's unreliable just enough of the time, and especially given working from home is common nowadays losing electricity for 6h now and again isn't acceptable. That's not running your own generator for electricity as in your analogy, that's having a reasonable backup for short term redundancy. I think it's reasonable for companies to act similarly, rely on cloud but have a backup that provides at least degraded functionality as opposed to none.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by threetonesun »

chii wrote: post #13
tomaytotomato wrote: post #11

There was a blog post on here the other day about moving back to bare metal hosting with practical explanations and problem solving. Cloud is great but its just borrowing someone else's machine for a fee. It's like a hyper-scalable and granular mainframe but like all mainframes, the client is powerless without it. We need to get our acts together and not allow ourselves to be smothered in silicon nimbus (clouds) and…

> Yes it takes time to manage and get up to speed, but that's empowering right....? I rather not, but instead these compute clouds should be treated similarly to utilities - you don't really want to be running your own generators for electricity do you? So why is it that we can setup utilities properly, where everybody can trust that it stays on and usable for a price low enough? My theory is that vendor lock in is t…

The cloud providers themselves run their own generators. Computers aside, every place I worked at that did critical manufacturing ran their own generators as well. That said, I agree with your general statement, that this should be a commodity, but we’ve accepted that vendor lock in is better than having a department / the cost of humans lock-in.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by cube00 »

RedShift1 wrote: post #2

We use GCP at work, it works well for what we use it (VMs, container storage, cloud file storage), I wish they would stop deprecating stuff though, it just causes developer busy work with no additional value.

> it works well for what we use it

How do you handle the slow console?

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by smt88 »

lvl155 wrote: post #14
JCM9 wrote: post #4

Impressive results. Microsoft also reported strong cloud growth yesterday. Amazon reports today. AWS has been slipping and at current growth rates would slip to the number 2 cloud provider in a few years time… let’s see if that trend holds true today.

Amazon and Apple are two companies taking it conservatively in this bubble. Possibly because they actually have gone through the last bubble with some pain. Microsoft to some degree but they have the luxury of OpenAI. We are at a point in this bubble where planned capex is approaching theorectical limits of actual energy capacity. Let’s see when they start pumping coal companies because they restart those plants…not…

Apple is "taking it easy" because of embarrassing ineptitude, not because it's their strategy

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by written-beyond »

cube00 wrote: post #24
RedShift1 wrote: post #2

We use GCP at work, it works well for what we use it (VMs, container storage, cloud file storage), I wish they would stop deprecating stuff though, it just causes developer busy work with no additional value.

> it works well for what we use it How do you handle the slow console?

Oh my god I thought I was the only one. Everyone says that you should be using the command line anyway, but I'd rather use a GUI but it's disgustingly slow.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by Pxtl »

RedShift1 wrote: post #2

We use GCP at work, it works well for what we use it (VMs, container storage, cloud file storage), I wish they would stop deprecating stuff though, it just causes developer busy work with no additional value.

Obligatory Steve Yegge rant about the Google deprecation treadmill:

https://steve-yegge.medium.com/dear-google-cloud-your-deprec...

> Dear RECIPIENT,

> Fuck yooooouuuuuuuu. Fuck you, fuck you, Fuck You. Drop whatever you are doing because it’s not important. What is important is OUR time. It’s costing us time and money to support our shit, and we’re tired of it, so we’re not going to support it anymore. So drop your fucking plans and go start digging through our shitty documentation, begging for scraps on forums, and oh by the way, our new shit is COMPLETELY different from the old shit, because well, we fucked that design up pretty bad, heh, but hey, that’s YOUR problem, not our problem.

> We remain committed as always to ensuring everything you write will be unusable within 1 year.

> Please go fuck yourself,

> Google Cloud Platform

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by cube00 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #3

Such a blerg nothing company with almost no innovation sitting on a cash volcano that never stops erupting. I often think about what an incredible bargain YouTube was at $1 billion.

> I often think about what an incredible bargain YouTube was at $1 billion.

It's hard to tell if it's actually turning over a profit when they only report revenue for it.

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by Forgeties79 »

chii wrote: post #13
tomaytotomato wrote: post #11

There was a blog post on here the other day about moving back to bare metal hosting with practical explanations and problem solving. Cloud is great but its just borrowing someone else's machine for a fee. It's like a hyper-scalable and granular mainframe but like all mainframes, the client is powerless without it. We need to get our acts together and not allow ourselves to be smothered in silicon nimbus (clouds) and…

> Yes it takes time to manage and get up to speed, but that's empowering right....? I rather not, but instead these compute clouds should be treated similarly to utilities - you don't really want to be running your own generators for electricity do you? So why is it that we can setup utilities properly, where everybody can trust that it stays on and usable for a price low enough? My theory is that vendor lock in is t…

If I lose power I can have a home generator running. These are incredibly common where I am due to hurricane outages - you’ll hear sometimes multiple on a single block powering whole homes.

S3 goes down, your entire data infrastructure (and systems attached to it) is out of reach. Local backups that can be deployed and run like S3 as if your services are still up, unless I’m mistaken, aren’t very common and would mean doing the thing you got S3 to handle in the first place. A generator is much easier to set up and use to solve the problem in a 1:1 way comparatively with zero dependence on local utilities and click on almost quite literally the second you lose power. Yeah they can’t run forever and aren’t the most cost efficient, but people use them weeks and have 100% function of all electronics in their home again.

I am not responsible for building and deploying these systems, I just depend on some of them at my job and interact with S3/media convert a ton. My understanding has always been that backups that can be restored very quickly are the aim, not trying to keep all the things attached to S3 running as if it’s still going. But if I am wrong please let me know and I would love to hear more from folks about this! I actually find this whole dance very interesting

Re: Alphabet tops $100B quarterly revenue for first time, cloud grows 34%

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Post by r_lee »

written-beyond wrote: post #26
cube00 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it works well for what we use it How do you handle the slow console?

Oh my god I thought I was the only one. Everyone says that you should be using the command line anyway, but I'd rather use a GUI but it's disgustingly slow.

The CLI also takes like 5 seconds to do anything
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