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Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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Re: Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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> What's wild is that these scrapers rotate through thousands of IP addresses during their scrapes, which leads me to suspect that the requests are being tunnelled through apps on mobile devices, since the ASNs tend to be cellular networks. I'm still speculating here, but I think app developers have found another way to monetise their apps by offering them for free, and selling tunnel access to scrapers. Wild indeed,…

You can get paid a few dollars (not many) to let them use your connection. I would like Cloudflare's business model (blocking datacenter IPs) to be worthless, so I do it. Haven't tried a withdrawal yet so it could well be a scam. This is not illegal (unless it's a scam).

If someone hasn't written a blog titled "Should we be worried about Cloudflare?" yet, I think it would be a good subject to explore. I find the idea that they could decide one day to ban you from all of their network pretty worrying. And if they did, how much fingerprinting are they doing and would the bad extend far beyond just a random IP address.

Re: Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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This is actually a commonly known fact. There are many services now that sell “residential proxies”, which are always mobile IP addresses. Since mobile IPs use CGNat it’s also not great to block the IP because it can be like geofencing an entire city or town. Some examples are: oxylabs, iproyal, brightdata, etc. Recently I filed an abuse complaint directly with brightdata because I was getting hit with 1000s of reque…

Lately Reddit has been showing me posts in subreddits for some of these services. They pitch "passive income" by sharing your connection, an easy way to make a few bucks by renting out your unused capacity. What happens is that you become an endpoint for their shady VPNs. These subreddits are full of people complaining that they're getting hit by abuse complaints from their ISPs. Naturally, these services claim to fo…

Salad, right? What a strange business

Re: Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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The Internet isn’t possible without scraping. For all the sentiment against scraping public data, doing so remains legal and essential to a lot of the services we use everyday. I think setting guidelines and shaping the web for reduced friction aimed at fair usage rather than turning it political would be the right thing to do.

Re: Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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I think he should consider getting out of the indie blog hosting business. It’s only going to get worse as the internet continues to decay and he can’t be making all that much off the service.

His persistent efforts are the reason I pay for Bear Blog. I think he should fight for the chance to come out on the other side of whatever future we’re heading towards.

Re: Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is actually a commonly known fact. There are many services now that sell “residential proxies”, which are always mobile IP addresses. Since mobile IPs use CGNat it’s also not great to block the IP because it can be like geofencing an entire city or town. Some examples are: oxylabs, iproyal, brightdata, etc. Recently I filed an abuse complaint directly with brightdata because I was getting hit with 1000s of reque…

They provide an SDK for mobile developers. Here is a video of how it works. [0] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a9HLrwvUO4&t=15s

I suspect most people, even when told exactly what the app using that SDK would be doing, wouldn't actually see the potential problems...

Re: Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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I had a website earlier this year running on Hetzner. It was purely experimenting with some ASP.NET stuff but when looking at the logs, I noticed a shit-load of attempts at various WordPress-related endpoints. I then read something about a guy who deliberately put a honeypot in his robots.txt file. It was pointing to a completely bogus endpoint. Now, the theory was, humans won't read robots.txt so there's no danger,…

It's interesting to study, right? This is the Internet equivalent of background radiation. Harmless in most cases. Exploit scanners aren't new to the LLM age and shouldn't overload your server - unless you're vulnerable to the exploit. Fun fact: Some people learn about new exploits by watching their incoming requests.

> It's interesting to study, right?

Definitely! I wasn't experiencing any issues, hell it wasn't even for public consumption at that time so no great loss to me but I found a few things fascinating (and somewhat stupid!) about it:

1. The sheer number of automated requests to scrape my content

2. That a massive number of the bots openly had "bot" or some derivative in the user agent and they were accessing a page I'd explicitly denied! :D

3. That an equally large number were faking their user agents to look like regular users and still hitting a page that a regular user couldn't possibly ever hit!

Something I did notice but it was towards the end and I didn't pursue it (I should log it better the next time for analysis!) was that the endpoint was dynamically generated and only existed in the robots.txt for a short time but there were bots I caught later on, long after that auto-generated page was created (and after the IP was banned) that still went for that same page: clearly the same entities!

My spidey senses are tingling. Next time, I'm going to log the shit out of these requests and publish as much as I can for others to analyse and dissect... might be interesting.

Re: Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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The Internet isn’t possible without scraping. For all the sentiment against scraping public data, doing so remains legal and essential to a lot of the services we use everyday. I think setting guidelines and shaping the web for reduced friction aimed at fair usage rather than turning it political would be the right thing to do.

What ? What do you mean ?

Re: Aggressive bots ruined my weekend

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The Internet isn’t possible without scraping. For all the sentiment against scraping public data, doing so remains legal and essential to a lot of the services we use everyday. I think setting guidelines and shaping the web for reduced friction aimed at fair usage rather than turning it political would be the right thing to do.

There were already guidelines, these trash people aren’t following them. That’s why there’s now “sentiment” against them.
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