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Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by incomingpain »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Systemic_bias

>This page in a nutshell: Wikipedia aims for a neutral point of view, but it falls short due to systemic bias caused by the narrow demographics of its editing community. This bias results in underrepresentation of Global South perspectives, limited access individuals, and women, among others.

Wikipedia admits it's systemic bias. You cant admit there's a problem of bias for years and do nothing about it. It's going to spawn alternatives that attempt to fix the bias.

Yesterday I showed Acupuncture's article on Grokipedia was significantly superior, shockingly better than wikipedia.

I can show an example of where Grokipedia is worse:

https://grokipedia.com/page/Kfar_Aza_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kfar_Aza_massacre

Wikipedia is superior. Grokipedia's fail in my mind comes with the wording of: "Militants engaged in cold-blooded killing of entire households"

Which while factually correct, it's the wrong way to say it for neutrality. But it's not like Grokipedia was ever pushing some sort of "unreality" on the subject.

https://www.trackingai.org/political-test

Grok is left-wing aligned. The allegation that Grok is somehow far-right and pushing false narratives doesnt stand up.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by rsynnott »

giarc wrote: post #37
jmward01 wrote: post #25

This reminds me of a joke website I pondered making a few years ago 'provemeright.com'. If you are in a bar and you make an outrageous claim and don't want to back down, provemeright.com has your back! Give us 10 min and we will edit wikipedia and create a website with your 'fact' on it!... It was a funny joke when it wasn't real.

Wikipedia, and it's volunteer of editors are extremely quick at checking edits. In university, we once create a page for my room mate and listed his admirable, but odd quirks. It was taken down in a matter of minutes.

It depends on the topic, honestly. They're very suspicious of _new_ pages, and of edits on _contentious_ pages, but malicious/joke edits on boring pages can sometimes survive a very long time.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by rsynnott »

barbacoa wrote: post #135
MallocVoidstar wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Grokipedia article on Gamergate claims that Gjoni "revealed" that Quinn was sleeping with reviewers for good reviews, but he himself later admitted he had zero evidence for that and claimed it was a typo that made people believe he was accusing Quinn of it. Why is being outright wrong a good thing?

Apparently Grokipedia give you the option to highlight that section of the text and click "this is wrong" and it will update the text or tell you why not. I don't have a account but someone should try and report back what it does.

I can't imagine anything more pointless than attempting to correct Musk's safe space. Like, why bother?

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by CupricTea »

latexr wrote: post #159
CupricTea wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot take statements like this seriously because they are nearly universally a nebulous bad faith way for someone to claim "my personal political opinions are objective reality" which is an outright perversion of the scientific method and the pursuit of knowledge at large. I would say the same to someone who would boldly claim "reality has a conservative bias"

It’s a reference to a Stephen Colbert joke during the George W. Bush era. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLjK9LFpeo

It is absolutely not. People who say it mean what they say. Pointing out that it's a reference to a Stephen Colbert joke is an attempt at retroactively inserting plausible deniability into their intentions after they've been called out for it.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by wnevets »

CupricTea wrote: post #174
latexr wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a reference to a Stephen Colbert joke during the George W. Bush era. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLjK9LFpeo

It is absolutely not. People who say it mean what they say. Pointing out that it's a reference to a Stephen Colbert joke is an attempt at retroactively inserting plausible deniability into their intentions after they've been called out for it.

> It is absolutely not. People who say it mean what they say. Pointing out that it's a reference to a Stephen Colbert joke is an attempt at retroactively inserting plausible deniability into their intentions after they've been called out for it.

I quoted the joke verbatim. The performative pearl clutchers on HN are very entertaining.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by nailer »

ben_w wrote: post #99
nailer wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by [deleted] »

quotemstr wrote: post #101

Leaving culture war articles aside, I think having on other subjects, a diversity of perspectives is legitimate. Consider a personal interest of mine, the dark ages in Europe after the fall of the western Roman empire. The Wikipedia article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Ages_(historiography) ) is a one-sided presentation that begins with denying the historical reality of a period called "the dark ages", contin…

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Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

jmward01 wrote: post #25

This reminds me of a joke website I pondered making a few years ago 'provemeright.com'. If you are in a bar and you make an outrageous claim and don't want to back down, provemeright.com has your back! Give us 10 min and we will edit wikipedia and create a website with your 'fact' on it!... It was a funny joke when it wasn't real.

You've just reminded me of when I made up a slang term - "Clifton Sausage" - and almost persuaded a somewhat gullible friend of mine that it existed. I then went onto Urban Dictionary and got it added so that I could fully persuade him.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=clifton%20sa...

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