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Re: Keep Android Open

#261
For what it is worth, I submitted a (totally, different, "handwritten", personal) complaint to the UK's CMA about this a few weeks ago, when it was first announced.

I received _the_ most boilerplate "Thanks, bog off" response imaginable, which I presume is a good thing...

  Dear $NAME, 
  
  Thank you for your correspondence.
  
  We value people contacting us with information. This helps us to tackle anti-competitive behaviour and protect people and businesses from being disadvantaged by unfair practices.  
  
  What happens now?
  
  Our Digital Markets Team will now analyse your enquiry using our published prioritisation principles (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/cma-prioritisation-principles). The Digital Markets Unit (DMU) will oversee a new regulatory regime, promoting greater competition and innovation in digital markets and protecting consumers and businesses from unfair practices.
   
  The CMA will continue to use its existing powers, where appropriate, to investigate harm to competition in digital markets. Please be aware that the CMA has no powers to take action or open a case on behalf of an individual customer or business (for example; to pursue compensation, refunds, or to intervene or adjudicate in disputes).
  
  We prioritise the cases that are most likely to make a real difference for people and the UK economy based on our available resources and the likelihood of a successful outcome.
  
  Can I get an update on my enquiry? 
  
  We are unable to give you an update on your enquiry.
  
  We find all enquiries useful to inform our current and future work. However, we offer no guarantee as to where or how your enquiry may be used.
  
  We do publish details of our cases on our website. You can subscribe to email alerts which will inform you when new information has been added.
  
  Will the CMA investigate my enquiry?
  
  We review all the enquiries that we receive. This helps us to understand:
  whether different industries in the UK economy are competitive
  if competition law is being broken
  if shoppers or businesses are being disadvantaged.
  
  Even if we don’t immediately investigate your enquiry, it may lead to us taking further action in the future.
  
  Do I need to do anything else?
  
  You do not need to do anything. If we need further information, we will contact you.
  
  Thank you again for taking the time to contact us.
  
  Yours sincerely
   
  Carol Sampson (she/her) | Enquiries Admin Officer | Strategy, Communications and Advocacy | Competition and Markets Authority
  The Cabot | 25 Cabot Square | London | E14 4QZ

So, I naïvely think one way to push this higher up the priority list and get the UK's regulator to act at least would be to look at those prioritisation principles and make the point that it falls high up them. One of them is "The CMA’s work should ensure that competitive markets provide choice and variety and drive lower prices"; another is "the CMA’s actions should empower competitive, fair-dealing businesses to compete, including by addressing the behaviour of a small minority of businesses that try to harm consumers, restrict competition, or prevent markets from functioning properly".

It's pretty clear to me that Google's direction won't be going down this route, and in many ways I wish I knew about these before submitting my complaint. If you're reading this in the UK, consider looking at those guidance points and hamming home explicitly how this move by Google breaks those points – which, frankly, it clearly does (it is going to reduce choice and variety; it is also explicitly restricting competition and harming consumers!)

Re: Keep Android Open

#262
I wonder if it's possible for a consortium led by major phone manufacturers to "libreoffice" Android away from Google's control.

Android (to a lesser extend iOS) has become deeply embedded in the infrastructure of modern society. It is essentially a public utility and should be managed as such.

Re: Keep Android Open

#263
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I've got my Linux smartphone running and ready to go. VWYF, folks. I'll take shitty software and poor battery life over digital authoritarianism every single time. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

This works now, but good luck in 10 years time when the radio chip requires a digital signature from the host OS signed by google or apple and your current phone is deprecated by 6g or whatever.

Mobile hotspot with a wireguard tunnel wrapping all traffic. Different RF bands (e.g. Starlink). Unauthorized private autonomous mesh networks. I don't care how hard they make it. I am never going to stop uncompromisingly exercising my right to absolute control over hardware I bought and paid for.

Re: Keep Android Open

#264

I wonder if it's possible for a consortium led by major phone manufacturers to "libreoffice" Android away from Google's control. Android (to a lesser extend iOS) has become deeply embedded in the infrastructure of modern society. It is essentially a public utility and should be managed as such.

Major phone manufacturers would break androids neck. (E.g.Samsung)

Re: Keep Android Open

#265

Stallman was right.

I wonder, what thing does HN think Stallman is wrong about today (and which in the future we will be proven wrong and Stallman was right).

I haven't seen him say anything I disagree with. But we would have to discuss specifics for me to have confidence.

Re: Keep Android Open

#267

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I wonder, what thing does HN think Stallman is wrong about today (and which in the future we will be proven wrong and Stallman was right).

Well, the things that got him canceled were and are wrong obviously. But anything (i know of) software related was right

The "things that got him cancelled" were things he said (as opposed to things he did) and those that I've read were correct (though I'm aware I havent read everything he said on the subject).

Re: Keep Android Open

#268

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And good lock unlocking anything over 5 years old because the updated website doesn't support what you've got. Been there, it sucks.

To be fair, for "anything over 5 years old" you can probably find a privilege escalation exploit.

Do tell me when you find one for unlocking the bootloader of an LG G6, been looking for one for a few years now :)

Re: Keep Android Open

#269

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One man’s security is another man’s control. Edit: and to be clear, I’m against this change by google. I think there is value in protecting grandma from sideloaded apps (if that even happens in the real world) but this isn’t about protection of consumers, it’s about centralised control of what you can and can’t do, in preparation for handing over the reigns to an authoritarian government. ‘Security’ either to protect…

No, it's not security. It never was.

Weird micro-aggression without any argument to back it up.

Re: Keep Android Open

#270
post #58

Back in the 2007 or when it came out in Sweden I bought the iPhone and started developing for it. This was cool, new and exciting and it was fine as long as my company was paying the $100 fee every year. But then I switched jobs and worked at a company which produced mostly open source code. Suddenly I would have to pay $100 every year just to be able to put my own software on the phone ... This is why I switched to…

Im a millennial dev which happens to have a Gen Z brother who also chose this profession. Seeing him walk my steps 15 years later has been eye opening for the brutal cultural change. They’re socially conditioned to assume that anything free is a scam or illegal, that every tool is associated with a corporation, and that learning itself is going through certain hoops (by the uni, the certificator or whatever) so that…

> They’re socially conditioned to assume that anything free is a scam or illegal, that every tool is associated with a corporation, and that learning itself is going through certain hoops (by the uni, the certificator or whatever) so that you get permission to earn money a certain way.

To be fair, there are also legit reason for why it evolved this way. It's mainly for quality and reliability. There is so much crappy sloppy work from unqualified workers, and it used to be even worse.. The easy available free knowledge really helped to rise the standard even for people without proper education in an area.

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