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Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by dragonwriter »

HK-NC wrote: post #114
mullingitover wrote: post #62

Arguably the purpose of this site isn't to serve the public or to compile knowledge (it's not user editable at all from what I can see). The point is to get this thing crawled and given weight by LLMs in order to poison them and bias them in the direction Musk wants: debunked race science, anti-transgender, etc etc.

Why didn't you say debunked anti transgender?

Presumably, a lot of the anti-transgender claims are new enough whole-cloth inventions to not have yet been debunked, while that's less true of the race science stuff.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by alphabettsy »

nailer wrote: post #90
idle_zealot wrote: post #21

The gap widens. If you're discussing something online, and someone drops a Grok link as evidence or reference material, how are you supposed to continue at that point? You can't convince someone who lives in an alternate reality of anything by argument. I think I would just stop relying. Most people would. It's not a new problem, but that wall keeps growing.

Same as Wikipedia: wikis aren’t references. Ask them to cite an actual source. Grokipedia seems to have more and wider references than Wikipedia.

True, but more and wider references seems to imply better when I’m not sure that’s true. Wikipedia is edited and it’s sources are curated. I think that’s a good thing.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by tigerali »

gadders wrote: post #84
tigerali wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lmao the manhattan institute

Ad hominem attack. Nice one.

as an attorney, the lowest form of scum on earth is someone pulling out so-called logical fallacies and thinking that is an argument.

perhaps i thought your clearly biased "institute" didn't deserve any more feedback than that

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by systemstops »

bigyabai wrote: post #98
systemstops wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's got some obvious bias right now, but some articles are already better than Wikipedia - for example on the origin of Covid. I'm not really going to trust either one of them for the foreseeable future.

> I'm not really going to trust either one of them for the foreseeable future. Situation: there is one mediocre online crowdsourced encyclopedia "The crowdsourced encyclopedia is untrustworthy? How ridiculous! We need to develop an AI-powered black-box that replaces everyone's Wikipedia use-cases!" Soon: there is one mediocre online crowdsourced encyclopedia, and Elon Musk's website developed in response to crowdsour…

Maybe it will be a shot in arm for Wikipedia to make some needed reforms.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by barbacoa »

MallocVoidstar wrote: post #116
hagbard_c wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In both these cases Grokipedia clearly comes out on top mostly due to the Wikipedia entries being so clearly biased.

The Grokipedia article on Gamergate claims that Gjoni "revealed" that Quinn was sleeping with reviewers for good reviews, but he himself later admitted he had zero evidence for that and claimed it was a typo that made people believe he was accusing Quinn of it. Why is being outright wrong a good thing?

Apparently Grokipedia give you the option to highlight that section of the text and click "this is wrong" and it will update the text or tell you why not. I don't have a account but someone should try and report back what it does.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by asacrowflies »

pogue wrote: post #57
baconbrand wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next administration should imprison Musk. I don’t think I need to elaborate.

I say: 1) Deport Musk to South Africa 2) Nationalize SpaceX & sell Tesla to GM or Ford 3) Pull the life support cable on Twitter

Yes!!! Seize all usa subsidized assets and send him back to South Africa.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by mmooss »

hagbard_c wrote: post #106
tgv wrote: post #66

I got the impression Grokipedia (what a lousy name, BTW; there's not a teenage rock band that would call itself that) has been trained on Wikipedia. I compared the entries for "Gallium Arsenide", and Grok's first sections is a copy of Wikipedia, with a an editor-like comment on top: Gallium arsenide Except where otherwise noted, data are given for materials in their standard state (at 25 °C [77 °F], 100 kPa). verify…

Is hasn't so much been 'trained' on Wikipedia but seems to have 'copied' a large fraction of the 'less contentious' (i.e. less politically biased) content of the site and marked it as such in the footer: The content is adapted from Wikipedia, licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 License. Here's an example of such an article, this one on Toroidal Propellers: https://grokipedia.com/page/Toroidal_p…

I'm sure you're aware of the challenges of defining 'political bias' - usually people mean 'political views that conflict with mine', and what 'people' mean, LLMs learn.

Also, do you think Musk suddenly wants to be non-biased? Musk is openly, explicitly, and aggressively biased in favor of his views and against anything that conflicts with them. Wikipedia has a NPOV rule; Musk has a My Point of View rule.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by mmooss »

giarc wrote: post #37
jmward01 wrote: post #25

This reminds me of a joke website I pondered making a few years ago 'provemeright.com'. If you are in a bar and you make an outrageous claim and don't want to back down, provemeright.com has your back! Give us 10 min and we will edit wikipedia and create a website with your 'fact' on it!... It was a funny joke when it wasn't real.

Wikipedia, and it's volunteer of editors are extremely quick at checking edits. In university, we once create a page for my room mate and listed his admirable, but odd quirks. It was taken down in a matter of minutes.

There have been stories of false information lasting for years.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by mmooss »

dragonwriter wrote: post #131
HK-NC wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why didn't you say debunked anti transgender?

Presumably, a lot of the anti-transgender claims are new enough whole-cloth inventions to not have yet been debunked, while that's less true of the race science stuff.

People need to prove claims. They aren't true until disproved - at least in science, courtrooms, any scholarship, etc.
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