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Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by thalecress » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 2:07 AM UTC

jcampbell1 wrote: post #110

monkeypizza wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We could easily make cars way, way safer - put a giant, sharp spike sticking out of the center of the steering wheel, pointed at the driver's heart, and forbid seatbelts. Nobody would ever go over 5mph, or put themselves at risk of crashing into anything.

You have completely botched this example. This example is useful to explain why airbags increase collisions . Putting a spear in cars would not make cars safer.

I don't understand your objection. Do you see a meaningful distinction between "cars are safer" and "cars are driven more safely"?

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by jerf » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 2:18 AM UTC

xenophanes wrote: post #112

icebraining wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't mean flat-out deny, There's a reason why simple social engineering works with a very high degree of success, and manipulating small children who have trust in his kidnapper (which isn't rare, since they're often family members) is even easier.

Which is why I suggested raising less gullible, passive, compliant people. Gullibility is a problem, here and elsewhere. I think raising people to be good, independent non-gullible people is a better approach than sticking trackers on them.

While we perhaps inculcate a bit more compliance than is strictly necessary, you can't make children not gullible. To be not gullible irreducibly requires enough experience with what is normal to know when something is not normal, and alas, not only do children have a straight-up calendar disadvantage there, the children that we are talking about are also more likely to not have a normal to compare against in the first place.

This is the wrong time to play that tune.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by Dystopian » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 2:33 AM UTC

What sites are using notforund.org?

127.0.0.1 :-/

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by thelicx » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 2:35 AM UTC

zachalexander wrote: post #88

thelicx wrote: post #79

The 404 page of the website doesn't display any children: http://notfound.org/404.html

Fortunately, they have a template email you can send to them: > Copy this e-mail and send it to a friend, your ceo or your company webmaster. > Dear www.notfound.org , > In the European Union alone, thousands of children are still missing. They run away from conflicts at home, are the victims of parental abductions, disappear after having travelled across the EU alone, or are abducted by criminals. But there is a way…

lol I will send them one :D

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by sachingulaya » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 3:09 AM UTC

xenophanes wrote: post #84

icebraining wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And they would let him, why?

If they won't, he knows something is up. Did they never let him outside in public, never go to school, never have contact with anyone who could help? If so, he was basically just locked in the basement, the whole thing about saying he was sent there didn't actually matter.

He was raised normally and went to school during those years.

I don't know what his thought process was but leaps of logic are a commonly observed phenomenon among kidnapped children.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by dmansen » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 3:16 AM UTC

monkeypizza wrote: post #101

scott_s wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume zmj's point is that we implicitly make this trade-off all the time. For example, cars could be safer, but then they would be more expensive. Anytime we opt for a cheaper car with less safety features, we are making a cost-benefit analysis involving our own lives and the lives of the people who will travel in our car. (Who are probably the most important people to us.) There becomes a point where the actual g…

We could easily make cars way, way safer - put a giant, sharp spike sticking out of the center of the steering wheel, pointed at the driver's heart, and forbid seatbelts. Nobody would ever go over 5mph, or put themselves at risk of crashing into anything.

This is one of the better comments I've seen lately - perfect execution of the "take the parent post's example to an absurd, irrelevant extreme and say Q.E.D."-style comment that seems to be all the rage around here lately. Love it, A+!

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by sojacques » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 4:35 AM UTC

sliverstorm wrote: post #41

paulhauggis wrote: post #26

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It seems like you are saying that the effort is futile because they won't find them anyway. It doesn't matter of they are "incredibly rare". We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it.

We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it. Ah, one of my favorite arguments. The good 'ol, "there is no price which is too high to save a life (period, full-stop)". Do you actually believe that? Really? Or am I just reading you wrong here?

You're absolutely right,

After all, why shall we even try to save human lives?

According to the current population growth rate[1], we have a relatively high supply of humans on earth, so anyone dying or disappearing will most definitely be replaced within a short period of time. Merge that data with the kidnapping statistics[2] and you'll see there's nothing to worry about.

Moreover, a child had likely not accomplished much in his life, so his disappearance could only affect a limited number of people.

[1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth [2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping#Statistics

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by scotty79 » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 5:06 AM UTC

tlrobinson wrote: post #115

sliverstorm wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your parent is not arguing that kidnappings by non-strangers are insignificant; rather, that public service announcements about such kidnapping are unproductive. Whether this is actually the case, I have no idea.

And your parent was providing an example where public service announcements about such kidnappings could have been productive.

I don't think he provided example for successful public service announcement.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by abduhl » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 5:20 AM UTC

catastrophe wrote: post #52

sliverstorm wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it. Ah, one of my favorite arguments. The good 'ol, "there is no price which is too high to save a life (period, full-stop)". Do you actually believe that? Really? Or am I just reading you wrong here?

You don't have a child, do you? Are you an only child? Would you admit it now if you are?

Talking as someone with 5 siblings (4 brothers, 1 sister), I find that one brother is generally as good as another whereas my sister is unique.

Based on this, your question of "Are you an only child?" seems only to be helpful to your argument when used against people with a relatively small amount of siblings of a particular gender. This condition is, let's be honest, a relatively new development in the first world and simply doesn't generally exist in the developing world.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Post by athesyn » Wed, Sep 26, 2012, 5:25 AM UTC

madsravn wrote: post #74

I tried to see if they were doing it themselves. They were. But I don't understand Dutch... 23 years old Liege / Luik Zeer slank. Zwart haar. Donkere ogen. Schoonheidsvlekje op voorhoofd.

It's dutch.

"23 years old. Liege / Luik Zeer slim build. black hair. dark eyes. beauty mark on the forehead."