I like the idea of "robotics slop" still being useful, compared to the rest of AI slop (https://youtu.be/f3c4mQty_so?si=6Zq0eFq80C0_RGGo&t=345 timestamp intended)
1X Neo – Home Robot - Pre Order
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#62The part of the video showing the robot putting glasses in the upper cabinet. It is something normal for humans, but it felt scary watching it being done by that robot. Maybe it was how it was handling the glass, maybe another kind of uncanny valley, or how I think present software should handle that task today. But I don't think it is ready yet to match our expectations.
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#63Although these particular units are designed for home use, commercial applications are not far off, perhaps in the order of months.
Small and medium-sized businesses will start thinking that it's much better to lease a unit for $500/mo. than $2,000/mo. in payroll for one human. Then they own the unit after 3 years. We're going to need some form of UBI soon.
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#64Their teleoperator position from 3-11 PM, M-F, pays between $22 and $31 an hour with benefits and is onsite in Palo Alto.[1] I'll be curious if they move those positions to a lower cost-of-living area as they scale up. 1: https://1x.recruitee.com/o/robot-operator
This is the next gig job. Poor people working as servants for rich people halfway across the world.
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#67> For any chore it doesn’t know, you can schedule a 1X Expert to guide it, helping NEO learn while getting the job done. Is this a humanoid robot that's controlled by someone in a call center remotely doing your laundry? Putting aside ethical reservations about how much they are probably paying per task, that feels like wash and fold with extra steps.
I'd expect it to be a training session with admin privileges. Similar to a robot vacuum learning the layout of the house and mapping maybe? Just with added steps based on where the washing machine, detergent etc are located.
I don't think its a training session. Current AI models are pre-trained before deployment for inference. After the model is trained, they load it into the robots computer, and it runs inference with that model.
You can't train the model again because you don't have enough memory on the robot, but also even if you did its slow and consumes energy. You could have it train in some server but then every new skill would require you to pay the equivalent price for renting a bunch of GPUs for many hours.
What they can do is, for everyone, have a base model, and then improve it over time. Then, with software updates they can improve the set of skills the robot can handle out of the box.
But this is the problem with current AI systems, without a continuous learning capability, you're always limited to the "default skills". As soon as you have something out of the box for the robot to do, you end up needing Indians to learn it.
All of AI is flawed in this way. LLMs for instance have almost no continuous learning capability, that is why we don't have AGI yet. They can't learn new skills. Therefore, they can't adapt to new jobs they have not seen during training. They can't even play pokemon properly or any complex game for that matter, because games involve learning new skills during gameplay.
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#68Review of 1X Neo by the WSJ:
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#69So, like a large scale scam to get your "downpayment" ? How would remote human operators scale, especially for the $20k "ownership" model? I presume the actual hardware probably costs them at least $10k to make, so after about 400 hours of "remote operator use", it's all loss on the company? I suspect they have a limit on use, or a pay-to-use-remotely thing they neglected to announce.
There is no way that the $500/mo or $20k flat price points are profitable. Cash influx is definitely important, but it seems to me that the real "value" from deploying with remote operators to handle any interesting tasks is in building an in-home data moat.
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#70Just in time for Halloween nightmares!!!!!!!! Imagine being a kid and waking up to this sitting in your room, silently watching you sleep. Imagine how terrified your dog is going to be of this thing, shuffling around or getting stuck with its foot on the edge of a rug. Imagine finding it going through your underwear drawer when you come home from work early.
"imagine one day you eat your toast and you look down and it's actually cockroaches!" Man makes up stories. Scares himself.
You’re right, it’s so unrealistic to imagine that maybe a hominid telepresence platform in your home with a human operator might get operated by its operator to do some type of weird privacy-violating stuff. Only a crazy person would dream of such a thing.