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Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by sebastiennight » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 7:00 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #53

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By "apartheid apologetics" do you mean that it is factually wrong or merely that you dislike the framing? I think there is a huge difference between those two accusations.

>A prevailing narrative depicts apartheid as a system of unremitting total oppression for black South Africans, yet empirical data indicate substantial advancements in black literacy and real wages during the era. This is a false contradiction. You can oppress people and still pay them higher wages and fight illteracy.

You're describing a very charitable scenario. You might get those outcomes while still fighting against literacy and high wages.

Since a rising tide lifts all boats, in a growing economy you might see wages, literacy and health outcomes improve nominally for an oppressed group, in absolute terms, while all of these outcomes improve significantly faster for the other group(s) in the same period.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by txcwg002 » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 7:10 PM UTC

undeveloper wrote: post #73

txcwg002 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"All of their money pays for real expenses" Not true, nearly 30% of their budget goes to partisan activism with DEI related initiatives. "Supporting equity represents the second largest part of our programmatic work" https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_...

that's a real expense. who else on earth should be doing DEI initiatives if not the goddamn chroniclers of human experience?

Definitely not an encyclopedia that is supposed to be objective.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by systemstops » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 8:03 PM UTC

qingcharles wrote: post #95

systemstops wrote: post #77

It will get better. This is only version 0.1.

So will Wikipedia.

I hope so, but that would require of rolling back some changes they made that led to ideological biases, which would be fought tooth and nail.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by MadDemon » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 8:05 PM UTC

yawboakye wrote: post #48

patiently waiting for grokipedia’s article on grokipedia. it seems to not be available at the moment. i’m interested from a philosophical perspective: on the completeness of self-description. for example, here’s wikipedia on wikipedia[0] [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia

There is already a Wikipedia article about Grokipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grokipedia

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by helf » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 8:35 PM UTC

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Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by josefritzishere » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 8:50 PM UTC

Does the world need a Mecha-Hitler version of Wikipedia?

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by dzhiurgis » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 8:59 PM UTC

cozzyd wrote: post #22

Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-n... Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

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Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by iloveyou1xrobot » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 9:00 PM UTC

davydm wrote: post #86

cozzyd wrote: post #22

Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-n... Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

I'm no apartheid apologist, but I have lived here (ZA) all my life. Whilst I haven't read the entire article, the first paragraph is actually on-point: apartheid was shit in a lot of respects, but the schools, especially in rural areas, have dramatically declined since 1994, as have most government-run companies (with the exceptions like Eskom being bailed out every year). You don't have to like the facts, but that's…

But this is literal apartheid apologia.

Saying "advancements in black literacy and real wages during the era" as if those things are due to apartheid is offensively absurd.

How about we advance literacy and wages without, you know, all the apartheid.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by dzhiurgis » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 9:05 PM UTC

charcircuit wrote: post #38

measurablefunc wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you do free work for a company which is planning to profit from your labor? Wikipedia/Wikimedia is a non-profit. All of their money pays for real expenses instead of whatever vanity project Musk has decided is necessary to sell xAI to the masses.

Do you think Wikimedia doesn't profit off of the contributions people make to Wikipedia? >pays for real expenses Only a small percentage of donations do. >instead of whatever vanity project Anytime the topic of Wikimedia donations come up you will see people complaining about their vanity projects too, wishing they could donate towards wikipedia itself.

This. They could use some competition for sure. Spending billions on simple html website doesn't make any sense.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by a0123 » Tue, Oct 28, 2025, 9:08 PM UTC

croes wrote: post #53

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By "apartheid apologetics" do you mean that it is factually wrong or merely that you dislike the framing? I think there is a huge difference between those two accusations.

>A prevailing narrative depicts apartheid as a system of unremitting total oppression for black South Africans, yet empirical data indicate substantial advancements in black literacy and real wages during the era. This is a false contradiction. You can oppress people and still pay them higher wages and fight illteracy.

No you can't.

You also don't seem to understand "apologetics"?