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Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by tim333 »

davydm wrote: post #86
cozzyd wrote: post #22

Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-n... Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

I'm no apartheid apologist, but I have lived here (ZA) all my life. Whilst I haven't read the entire article, the first paragraph is actually on-point: apartheid was shit in a lot of respects, but the schools, especially in rural areas, have dramatically declined since 1994, as have most government-run companies (with the exceptions like Eskom being bailed out every year). You don't have to like the facts, but that's…

Yeah I used to date a coloured girl from Jo'berg who'd grown up in that era and she was positive that they had some degree of prosperity and modern comforts unlike the surrounding African countries. The overwhelming flow of people voting with their feet and walking across the borders was from the surrounding countries to SA rather than vice versa.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by tim333 »

hagbard_c wrote: post #88
tim333 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>... Musk announced xAI was building a new AI-generated online encyclopedia, to be called Grokipedia, in the midst of his criticisms of Wikipedia's ideological biases. The project was suggested and named by White House AI and crypto czar David O. Sacks at the All-In podcast conference earlier that month. According to Musk's announcement, it would be an AI-powered knowledge base designed to rival Wikipedia by addressi…

Let the battle... commence. Wikipedia is a collaborative, multilingual online encyclopedia consisting of freely editable articles written and maintained primarily by volunteers worldwide, utilizing wiki software to enable open contributions under free content licenses. Launched on January 15, 2001, by American entrepreneur Jimmy Wales and philosopher Larry Sanger as a wiki-based complement to the slower-paced expert-…

I compared the articles on HN and the Grok one was much longer but waffled on quite a lot like that paragraph.

Overall I think I'd read the Wikipedia one on the whole.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by Timon3 »

tstrimple wrote: post #69
Timon3 wrote: post #68

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Because truth is inconvenient to their world view. Better to build up the world and facts as you imagine them to be than risk learning something that contradicts deeply held beliefs.

Can you explain how that applies in this specific case? Because I can't come up with a scenario where you suggesting corrections to Grokipedia does any good.

If you're correcting a lie that they actively want to spread (e.g. the "White Genocide" lie) they obviously won't accept your correction.

If you're correcting a lie that they don't care about (hypothetical example: "ripe strawberries are blue") they might accept your correction, but that makes it less likely that an uninformed visitor will see through their lies.

So the best case scenario is that literally nothing happens, and the worst case one is that you're indirectly helping their cause. What am I missing?

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by qingcharles »

cozzyd wrote: post #22

Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-n... Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

As a Green Line enjoyer, I'm not enough of an expert to spot the factual errors. The article does seem a bit much though. I've noticed a lot of the Grokipedia articles just go on. If I wanted to know that much about the Green Line I could probably just buy a book on it.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by Yizahi »

CapricornNoble wrote: post #74
Yizahi wrote: post #51

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I have tried briefly checking two pages about Russo-Ukrainian War. First of all, hilariously Elonopedia starts from 1917-1921 war and goes on about it for multiple paragraphs, then suddenly switches to the 2014 invasion. And no, it's not in the "history" section, it's a main starting section. Then actual description of the war is much more biased in the Elonopedia. In every case possible the invasion is presented as…

>Then I checked Russo-Georgian War articles, this time at least the century and war was correct in Elonopedia. But again, right from the start it is incredibly biased towards Russia. Elonopedia completely omits the initial attack make bu Russian forces at 01 Aug 2008, skip a week and presents war as if it was initiated by Georgians, following Kremlin propaganda line. The EU isn't exactly known for being Kremlin propa…

EU in 2008 was extremely biased towards Russia too, the appeasement was going full tilt, just like the tasty gas in the pipeline, so they are not exactly impartial party. I'm generally inclined to believe a victim country, not the invading empire, but you do you. And inconclusive doesn't mean definitely ruled out. Can be lack of evidence for either outcome.

And if you are that suspicious of that date, we can pick another. In 1992 Russia invaded independent Georgia (among other countries), so any action was towards occupation force, in defense.

PS: and if look throughout the history, we will find very few cases, when a smaller country attacks much bigger one especially after already losing at least one fight against them. And the opposite is true, there are hundreds and thousands of cases when a bigger country attacks the smaller one, especially after already winning once against them. And countless times when a bigger country lied about pretext for such attack, to be seen as not crazy murderers outright, but muddy waters and sow doubt. Russia succeeded it seems.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

qingcharles wrote: post #94
cozzyd wrote: post #22

Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-n... Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

As a Green Line enjoyer, I'm not enough of an expert to spot the factual errors. The article does seem a bit much though. I've noticed a lot of the Grokipedia articles just go on . If I wanted to know that much about the Green Line I could probably just buy a book on it.

While ChatGPT tells me it's unable to access the linked page directly from Grokipedia (lolol), I was able to download the content, copy/paste it into ChatGPT, and ask it to fact check it. I think I will do this more often, with other sites (and other models) as well, going forward, as Chat is able to categorize statements as being correct vs. misleading vs. flat out wrong.

> The article does seem a bit much though. I've noticed a lot of the Grokipedia articles just go on.

And yes, that's what I'm noticing as well. There is a clear attempt to establish a narrative.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by techblueberry »

tim333 wrote: post #85
techblueberry wrote: post #7

What is the point of Grokipedia. It's an interesting experiment I guess (Really is it just a bunch of pre-rendered prompts I could ask Grok instead?), curious how much of wikipedia is in the training set. I would think if you wanted an alternate encyclopedia you would want something that AI can train against, so Grok itself can't probably bet too much value out of it. ( I guess people can choose their truth now? I su…

>... Musk announced xAI was building a new AI-generated online encyclopedia, to be called Grokipedia, in the midst of his criticisms of Wikipedia's ideological biases. The project was suggested and named by White House AI and crypto czar David O. Sacks at the All-In podcast conference earlier that month. According to Musk's announcement, it would be an AI-powered knowledge base designed to rival Wikipedia by addressi…

This doesn’t really answer my question.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by techblueberry »

reaperducer wrote: post #78
techblueberry wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a nice touch: “ In recent decades, the party has prioritized identity-based equity policies, climate interventions, and expansive regulatory frameworks, yet empirical critiques highlight correlations between its governance in major cities and elevated crime rates, homelessness persistence, and educational stagnation amid softened enforcement and redistribution efforts.[7][8]” Which doesn’t link to anything su…

empirical It really likes that word, and seems to use it a lot to justify displaying its owner's views.

“Oh, it’s EMPIRICAL, my mistake.”
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