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EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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> What's REALLY much more important though if you want to be a part of the AI race and I've posted for years here with @euaccofficial is to make Europe a really extremely attractive place to start and run an AI business. Remove regulatory obstructions and give tax discounts for startups. Let them build a business first that can compete worldwide and once they make enough money (let's say $100M/y), then slowly start a…

Tbh, a lot of EU protectionism vs. US tech seems not to keep the competition out. In fact, with the amount of free press US startups get and the size of their coffers, they can simply roll over the local competition in EU markets most of the time.

What it's terribly good at is adding burdens that the US giants don't face early on, slowing down the early growth between 28 fragmented markets. I don't know specifically about how China works, but the question is proving product-market fit, and for that, you need a lot of users fast.

In the EU, it's a different battle country to country as the media environment, the markets, the regulation etc. are all fractured.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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For those curious, the 24 official languages are Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovenian, Spanish, and Swedish. Maltese, interestingly, is the only Afro-Asiatic derived language. Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian are the three Uralic languages. All the others ar…

Is Ireland the only country to bring in two languages, Irish/Gaelic and English? Is English an official language of any other EU countries?

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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This raises an interesting question. Is there only one dialect of German in the LLM? My understanding is that the German German and Austrian German dialects are significantly different.

My German teacher always claimed that Swiss German and German German (Hochdeutsch) were so different that she needed subtitles to understand it, and she didn't understand why they weren't considered separate languages.

Try dutch, it is combination of German and English!

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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"That you have 50 different states with slightly varying laws to consider (e.g. Californian Data protection)?" there are certain sentences you can just tell would never be written by an American lol

Got me, I'm not American, but isn't it true? California Consumer Privacy Act is a thing you need to take into account for Californian customers. Illinois has a Biometric Privacy Act. And who knows what Wyoming or South Dakota or Oregon have that you might take into account if your business falls under any of them.

we might be somewhat trending in this direction, but the reality is largely that the US states are pretty identical and have very similar laws on the books. the federal government is in charge of commerce usually.

most laws like CCPA also have some threshold where you already need to be pretty successful for it to apply to you.

for some select industries (biometrics & healthcare), yes you have a patchwork of laws.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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post #43

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Each EU country nominates one official language for the EU, otherwise we'd have Catalan, Breton, Kashubian and many more.

Including the nasty political side-show that is Ulster Scots - literally only brought in as a chilling effect 'whataboutism' to diminish support when Irish speakers ask for language rights in Northern Ireland. https://www.reddit.com/r/northernireland/comments/1fivtob/no...

Well Scots is a real language. As much as English or any other. Whether enough people speak it especially in NI to justify it having an official status and such is another matter.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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My German teacher always claimed that Swiss German and German German (Hochdeutsch) were so different that she needed subtitles to understand it, and she didn't understand why they weren't considered separate languages.

They are in fact considered separate languages.

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Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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As expected, Europe finally catches up to 2024 and launches an LLM that barely competes against the heavyweights. The US and China are running rings around Europe. Mistral is an exception as it was funded by US VCs and they are a great example showing that without VC funding, Mistral would have been begging to the EU for a microsopic grant to train a LLM worse than Llama.

Mistral is pretty much toast? Their models perform poorly and I'm not sure why anyone would use them. Maybe there is a catching up point somewhere in the future, hopefully.

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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Balto-Slavic branch divides into Baltic and Slavic language groups so nothing wrong here

Yup, most of Eastern Europe are Balto-Slavic. While the division from the Eastern Slavic languages (Russian, Belarussian, Ukranian, etc) is distant, they are still Slavic. From Eastern Europe, only Estonian is not a Slavic language.

> most of Eastern Europe are Balto-Slavic

and

> only Estonian is not a Slavic language.

So following this logic saying "in Eastern Europe, only Estonian is not a Baltic language" would make as much sense?

Re: EuroLLM: LLM made in Europe built to support all 24 official EU languages

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It is interesting how much traction this 9B model is getting which is good.

Still two month earlier 19 European language model with 30B parameters got almost no mention:

https://huggingface.co/TildeAI/TildeOpen-30b

Mind you that is another open model that is begging for fine-tuning (it is not very good out of box).

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