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Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by muwtyhg »

yawboakye wrote: post #47
solid_fuel wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you found something wrong in that article you should submit some fixes. Why? This site isn't run by people who are interested in factual accuracy. If they think Wikipedia articles are inaccurate, they could always propose changes and have a proper discussion with the rest of the contributors. Grok was trained on Wikipedia so realistically this is just a jumbled regurgitation of Wikipedia articles blended with ot…

the pursuit of truth doesn’t work by keeping so-called falsehoods up while a debate rages on about their veracity. especially given that there’s no indication on wikipedia of contested facts. i may not be involved in the debate but i’d love some indication and perhaps a hyperlink to where the debate is happening. the proper discussion you want will never happen. it’s an exercise in persuasion ie trying to move people…

> especially given that there’s no indication on wikipedia of contested facts

Have you ever been to a Wikipedia Talk Page? Basically every page you can find will have some people arguing about what should be placed on the page on the Talk page.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by TYPE_FASTER »

roryirvine wrote: post #65
cozzyd wrote: post #22

Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-n... Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

I've spotted surprising amounts of confidently-stated nonsense even in fairly neutral articles where Elon / xAI is unlikely to have a particular political slant. Many of the most glaring errors are linked to references which either directly contradict Grokipedia's assertion or don't mention the supposed fact one way or the other. I guess this is down to LLM hallucinations? I've not used Grok before, but the problems…

> I've spotted surprising amounts of confidently-stated nonsense

I find this to be the most annoying aspect of AI. The initial Google AI results were especially bad. It is getting better, but still spout info I know is false without any warning.

Like, I find blowhards tiring enough in RL. Don't really want to deal with artificial blowhards when I'm trying to solve a problem.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by undeveloper »

txcwg002 wrote: post #62
measurablefunc wrote: post #30

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Why would you do free work for a company which is planning to profit from your labor? Wikipedia/Wikimedia is a non-profit. All of their money pays for real expenses instead of whatever vanity project Musk has decided is necessary to sell xAI to the masses.

"All of their money pays for real expenses" Not true, nearly 30% of their budget goes to partisan activism with DEI related initiatives. "Supporting equity represents the second largest part of our programmatic work" https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_...

that's a real expense. who else on earth should be doing DEI initiatives if not the goddamn chroniclers of human experience?

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by CapricornNoble »

Yizahi wrote: post #51
thsName wrote: post #13

I suggest that anyone interested compare the content of Wikipedia and Grokpedia articles on topics that interest them, as well as the differences in sources between these two projects. Of course, only if someone finds this research interesting.

I have tried briefly checking two pages about Russo-Ukrainian War. First of all, hilariously Elonopedia starts from 1917-1921 war and goes on about it for multiple paragraphs, then suddenly switches to the 2014 invasion. And no, it's not in the "history" section, it's a main starting section. Then actual description of the war is much more biased in the Elonopedia. In every case possible the invasion is presented as…

>Then I checked Russo-Georgian War articles, this time at least the century and war was correct in Elonopedia. But again, right from the start it is incredibly biased towards Russia. Elonopedia completely omits the initial attack make bu Russian forces at 01 Aug 2008, skip a week and presents war as if it was initiated by Georgians, following Kremlin propaganda line.

The EU isn't exactly known for being Kremlin propagandists. Here is the link to the 700-page international fact-finding report they published in 2009: https://www.echr.coe.int/documents/d/echr/hudoc_38263_08_Ann...

This Radio Free Europe article is a decent summary of the report: https://www.rferl.org/a/EU_Report_On_2008_War_Tilts_Against_...

Why do you think the international team of Europeans would leave out something like an August 1st attack by Russian forces? Why would the US-funded media outlet for Europe (RFE/RFL) parrot the report's position that the conflict was overwhelmingly Georgia's fault?

"The Mission is not in a position to consider as sufficiently substantiated the Georgian claim concerning a large-scale Russian military incursion into South Ossetia before 8 August 2008."

Can you share the evidence you have that supports your position that Russia attacked on 01 August? The EU concluded that was unsubstantiated.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by tim333 »

Comparing the Elon Musk articles between Grokipedia and Wikipedia, the first factual difference is with Tesla:

>..Musk founded SpaceX in 2002 as CEO and chief engineer, Tesla in 2003 ... (grok)

>Musk joined the automaker Tesla as an early investor in 2004 and became its CEO ... (wikipedia)

I think Wikipedia is more accurate on that one.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by reaperducer »

cozzyd wrote: post #22

Amusing to see what Grokipedia thinks of various cities. And no surprise, apartheid apologetics: https://grokipedia.com/page/Apartheid#debunking-prevailing-n... Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

Hilarious factual errors in https://grokipedia.com/page/Green_Line_(CTA)

Weird that it displaying some other web site's embed/shortcodes:

> ![Cottage Grove-bound Green Line train approaching Roosevelt station][float-right] The Green Line utilizes primarily 5000-series railcars

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by reaperducer »

techblueberry wrote: post #20
slater wrote: post #15

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Yeah nah, just compare the Grokipedia entries for the Republican Party and the Democratic Party. I don't think one could get any more weasel-worded if they tried. An utter waste of everyone's time, money, effort, and manpower.

This is a nice touch: “ In recent decades, the party has prioritized identity-based equity policies, climate interventions, and expansive regulatory frameworks, yet empirical critiques highlight correlations between its governance in major cities and elevated crime rates, homelessness persistence, and educational stagnation amid softened enforcement and redistribution efforts.[7][8]” Which doesn’t link to anything su…

empirical

It really likes that word, and seems to use it a lot to justify displaying its owner's views.

Re: Grokipedia by xAI

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Post by dmix »

croes wrote: post #53
LudwigNagasena wrote: post #50

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By "apartheid apologetics" do you mean that it is factually wrong or merely that you dislike the framing? I think there is a huge difference between those two accusations.

>A prevailing narrative depicts apartheid as a system of unremitting total oppression for black South Africans, yet empirical data indicate substantial advancements in black literacy and real wages during the era. This is a false contradiction. You can oppress people and still pay them higher wages and fight illteracy.

It's not presenting that as an opinion or purely facts-based though, it's documenting other narratives that exist in the world under a "Legacy and Critical Assessments" headline.
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