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Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

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Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#71

Peter Hitchens had a hell of a time trying to fix Wikipedia's appalling biases: https://hitchensblogarchive.wordpress.com/2018/08/06/goodbye... Search the site for other examples of the fun he had with it. I'd choose Wikipedia over AI, of course, so I'm ultimately grateful it's there. But better than both would be a well-edited traditional encyclopedia, written by experts in a single voice, and possibly peer-reviewed…

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Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#72

The sneering and nihilist tone is very off putting. But not nearly as much as the boomer brained conception of the world's information model pre 2004, which was not nearly as good as those who invoke Murrow and Cronkite believe it was.

> The sneering and nihilist tone is very off putting You don't seem to be familiar with McSweeney's Internet Tendency. Fair enough, it's not to everyone's taste and doesn't try to be.

I guess maybe the tone would be less noxious if the core coceit of the satire felt more legitimate. I mean, Wikipedia was kind of a shit show back in the day. It's had 20 years of maturation which is more what makes it useful today.

And yes, the media is full of blatant and bald faced lies but is that worse than the credulous and uncritical way the media basically endorsed the war in Iraq?

I get that it's a joke but the joke kinda only works if there's some truth behind it. And I just don't think there is here. I think people are lamenting old media now, not because the information sphere is genuinely worse today but because it was a comfort to have a consensus in public opinion regardless of how true that consensus was.

Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#73

With some controversial topics like Nuclear Power on the German wikipedia or the Gaza conflict on the English one, wikipedia has become less than useless. Once an activist editor sith too much time gets hold of a page, it is game over for neutrality of wokipedia. Grokipedia might introduce some much needed competition.

It is not politically correct to observe this, of course, but the only competition Grokipedia is introducing is the competition to mainstream white supremacist ideas while maintaining plausible deniability.

I think the question that XAI asks is "how close to mecha hitler can we get before people notice and complain?"

Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#74

Peter Hitchens had a hell of a time trying to fix Wikipedia's appalling biases: https://hitchensblogarchive.wordpress.com/2018/08/06/goodbye... Search the site for other examples of the fun he had with it. I'd choose Wikipedia over AI, of course, so I'm ultimately grateful it's there. But better than both would be a well-edited traditional encyclopedia, written by experts in a single voice, and possibly peer-reviewed…

> written by experts …and let the bickering begin… Nothing is going to be immune from people accusing it of bias, etc. Wikipedia is pretty damn good (and free).

This is true but Britannica articles are also written by LESS people

Less room for activism and other things

Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#75

With some controversial topics like Nuclear Power on the German wikipedia or the Gaza conflict on the English one, wikipedia has become less than useless. Once an activist editor sith too much time gets hold of a page, it is game over for neutrality of wokipedia. Grokipedia might introduce some much needed competition.

There are more than 7 million articles on wikipedia. 2 controversial ones do not invalidate the rest and sure does not deserve the "less than useless" label.

Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#76

With some controversial topics like Nuclear Power on the German wikipedia or the Gaza conflict on the English one, wikipedia has become less than useless. Once an activist editor sith too much time gets hold of a page, it is game over for neutrality of wokipedia. Grokipedia might introduce some much needed competition.

I think it depends on the subject. Sure, I have heard a historian call it "Wickedpedia" because it gets all the facts wrong. But have a look at the "hash function" page. That is pretty in-depth.

However, this all misses the point that the article is making: It's a store of knowledge added to and edited by humans. At least they're not AI, the article says. I don't know if this is true, but if so, I find it compelling.

Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#77

Especially relevant today with the release of grokipedia

I would really, really like to see the prompts used for this next to each article.

Since "The Algorithm" at Twitter was supposed to be open sourced, surely that wouldn't be controversial.

And I genuinely do find it absolutely fascinating and somewhat shocking how LLMs can follow such long and complex prompts and respond so well.

Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#78

Especially relevant today with the release of grokipedia

It’s so good. I spent 2 hours reading articles on there last night and the consistency was excellent, although a little verbose at times.

I checked it out based on this comment. It's funny how in some ways it feels like a lazy student-assignment copied from Wikipedia: the subheadings and the structure are exactly the same as the Wikipedia article on the topic, and sometimes it even leaves in the citation numbers as normal text like a careless copy paste.

However, it also seemed less eurocentric, mentioning non-Greek non-Roman side of origins of fields where relevant, when the corresponding Wikipedia article doesn't. Wikipedia is generally pretty bad at this, but I had expected "Grokipedia" to be worse, not better in this regard!

Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#79

With some controversial topics like Nuclear Power on the German wikipedia or the Gaza conflict on the English one, wikipedia has become less than useless. Once an activist editor sith too much time gets hold of a page, it is game over for neutrality of wokipedia. Grokipedia might introduce some much needed competition.

Everyone in this comment session is now worse for having read this comment

Re: Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

#80

With some controversial topics like Nuclear Power on the German wikipedia or the Gaza conflict on the English one, wikipedia has become less than useless. Once an activist editor sith too much time gets hold of a page, it is game over for neutrality of wokipedia. Grokipedia might introduce some much needed competition.

How would "competition" lead to better neutrality? What's the selling point of "I'm more neutral than you"?
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