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Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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> Guns exist only for physical violence Skeet shooting? Targets? Most gun owners never kill anything.

Those are both acts of physical violence, just not against living creatures.

That's a pretty extreme stance. If shooting inanimate clay pots is violence, wouldn't baseball also constitute violence?

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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post #11

Notice under “Managing dependency”, the focus is exclusively on technological solutions. There is no technological solution to this. We have the equivalent of unlimited crack in everyone’s pocket 24/7 with no possible oversight over its use and no way to reel it back in. The genie has been out of the bottle for a while now. Just like gluttony, there is no solution, only management strategies and they’re all very huma…

> There is no technological solution to this.

Of course there is, even if it's not for everyone. You can abandon the profit-seeking duopoly and embrace GNU/Linux on smartphones. No tracking, no invasive apps or notifications. Works for me (except HN).

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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post #57

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We know how to cure addiction though, and its really low tech. People (and rats) with adequate social lives and decent living conditions are able to consistently overcome addiction. In fact, addiction has come to be understood as a coping mechanism for living in an unpleasant environment. Imo the issue with phones is really a symptom of our lack of leisure time, pleasant outside settings, and affordable third places.

It’s very obviously not that simple.

It actually is, but creating these kinds of environments and promoting healthy social lives is extremely not profitable. We'd have to dramatically lower the cost of living for everyone and make huge investments in infrastructure and subsidize the creation of third places.

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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> sharing biometric data through pre-loaded health and wellness apps. I've been thinking about finally getting a smartwatch to keep tabs on my sleep and encourage me to do more exercise, like jogging for a certain amount of time or something. Suggestions for privacy respecting, ideally FOSS solutions?

https://pine64.org/devices/pinetime/

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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It’s very obviously not that simple.

It seems that simple to me. Do you have a rationalisation for your disagreement, or is this a throw away comment you don't care about?

There is a new book by Owen Flanagan ”What is it like to be an addict”[0] where he goes through the phenomenon of addiction from many different angles and argues that rat park type findings are true but only give partial view to the problem. His view is that it is very multifaceted subject and can’t be understood or tackled with any one easy fix.

[0]https://academic.oup.com/book/59281

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

#126

Let's be clear. It is not the actual smartphones that do this; machines are designed and programmed by humans. Companies can choose to use technology to manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes, and many do choose just that, often for financial gain.

The algorithms are getting kinda scary now — they probably know me better than I know myself.

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

#127

Let's be clear. It is not the actual smartphones that do this; machines are designed and programmed by humans. Companies can choose to use technology to manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes, and many do choose just that, often for financial gain.

The purpose of a system is what it does.

Some mild whataboutery: is the purpose of a cancer ward to fail to cure a large fraction of its patients[0]?

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/come-on-obviously-the-purpo...

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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It seems that simple to me. Do you have a rationalisation for your disagreement, or is this a throw away comment you don't care about?

There is a new book by Owen Flanagan ”What is it like to be an addict”[0] where he goes through the phenomenon of addiction from many different angles and argues that rat park type findings are true but only give partial view to the problem. His view is that it is very multifaceted subject and can’t be understood or tackled with any one easy fix. [0] https://academic.oup.com/book/59281

Idk what part of "make society affordable for everyone and ensure that everyone has access to adequate care and social support" sounds like an easy fix.

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a new book by Owen Flanagan ”What is it like to be an addict”[0] where he goes through the phenomenon of addiction from many different angles and argues that rat park type findings are true but only give partial view to the problem. His view is that it is very multifaceted subject and can’t be understood or tackled with any one easy fix. [0] https://academic.oup.com/book/59281

Idk what part of "make society affordable for everyone and ensure that everyone has access to adequate care and social support" sounds like an easy fix.

That’s a good goal and I think we should aim for that regardless if it fixes addiction. I would not call it easy though. And would it be world without addicts? There are plenty of well connected rich social happy folks who can’t handle simple molecules. Environment is part of the usage pattern but it’s not the only thing. That’s the books point I gather.

Re: Smartphones manipulate our emotions and trigger our reflexes

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Those are both acts of physical violence, just not against living creatures.

That's a pretty extreme stance. If shooting inanimate clay pots is violence, wouldn't baseball also constitute violence?

When I search a definition I get three results:

1. Behavior or treatment in which physical force is exerted for the purpose of causing damage or injury.

In the case of the shooting examples the idea is to destroy the clay pots or damage the target. Baseball isn't quite on that level. I'm not sure what a gun can be aimed at without intent to damage it.

2. Intense force or great power, as in natural phenomena.

A gunshot definitely feels like an intense force. You could argue it for a strike from a baseball bat but it's quite relative and of course you can strike gently much more easily than you can shoot gently.

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