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Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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So Microsoft went from 49% to now 27%? Open AI with their non-profit and their for-profit and all these investments and deals they are doing. It feels like they are spending more time doing financial trickery than building AI products.

There's a public trail of reddit comments where Altman all but owns up to finagling board seats and ownership rights for Reddit many years ago. This is how he operates.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

#22
My take:

OpenAI self-evaluated to $500B;

Microsoft commitment for $250B of services, a.k.a still 50% of that value is somewhat locked;

AGI still undefined;

Some more kicking of the can toward the future when it comes to payments;

Both have more freedom to do research and offer services;

Overall, lots of magic money talk with pinkie promise in the future and somewhat higher possibility of new products and open weights models.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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post #6

> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. I wonder what criteria that panel will use to define/resolve this.

It's quite possible that GI and thus AGI does not actually exist. Though now the paper the other day by all those heavy hitters in the industry makes more sense in this context.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

#24

> AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI Spare me. Sam has been talking about ChatGPT already being AGI for ages, meanwhile still peddling this duplicitous talk about how AGI is coming despite it apparently already being here. Can we act like grownups and treat this like a normal tool? No, no we cannot, for Sam is a hype merchant.

Sam is doing the same playbook Elon used Tesla's full self-driving dreams

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

#25

So Microsoft went from 49% to now 27%? Open AI with their non-profit and their for-profit and all these investments and deals they are doing. It feels like they are spending more time doing financial trickery than building AI products.

The money needed to run AI company is huge. If they don't do financial trickery, there is huge risk of going out of business.

AI is not making enough money to cover the cost and it will take a decade or so to cover the same.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

#26

> AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI Spare me. Sam has been talking about ChatGPT already being AGI for ages, meanwhile still peddling this duplicitous talk about how AGI is coming despite it apparently already being here. Can we act like grownups and treat this like a normal tool? No, no we cannot, for Sam is a hype merchant.

it's notable that there is no talk about defining what exactly AGI is - or even spelling out the three letter acronym - because that doesn't serve his narative. He wants the general public to equate human intelligence with current OpenAI, not ask what does this mean or how would we know. He's selling another type of hammer that's proving useful in some situations but presenting it as the last universal tool anyone will ever need.

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

#28

> AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI AGI Spare me. Sam has been talking about ChatGPT already being AGI for ages, meanwhile still peddling this duplicitous talk about how AGI is coming despite it apparently already being here. Can we act like grownups and treat this like a normal tool? No, no we cannot, for Sam is a hype merchant.

Sam is doing the same playbook Elon used Tesla's full self-driving dreams

but with 10x or 100x the chutzpah

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

#29

I'm not savvy on investment terms, but most of these bullet points seem like a loss for Microsoft. What's the value in investing in a smaller company and then giving up things produced off that investment when the company grows?

I was thinking exactly the same. Maybe someone who understands these terms and deal better shine light on why would Microsoft agree to this

Re: The next chapter of the Microsoft–OpenAI partnership

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post #6

> Once AGI is declared by OpenAI, that declaration will now be verified by an independent expert panel. I wonder what criteria that panel will use to define/resolve this.

The criteria changes more times than the weather forecast as it depends on the definition of "AGI".
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