Just imagine the productivity they could achieve if they kept those 14,000 and had them use AI, too! Productivity overload. Levels we have never seen.
Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
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Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#82These aren't "job losses", these are "firings". They aren't unfortunate accidents of external origin that happened to them, they are conscious internal decisions to let people go.
These numbers are inflated to be unparsable. I suspect it's either 14 people or a small monetary loss. Do you feel different today?
Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#83I’ve heard multiple numbers for this layoff from unofficial sources. Does anyone think Amazon was trying to identify a leak by letting internal parties know about the layoffs with slightly different details?
My totally uneducated guess is that they leak exaggerated numbers on purpose to make the real numbers look less bad in comparison. The idea being that a few days before the official news everyone is talking about a potential 30 or 40K people layoff. Then, when the official news come out and state that they are laying off 14K people, it sounds less dramatic (in relative terms). This makes people (who are not affected by this) to feel like the news were overblown and are not as significant.
Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#84These aren't "job losses", these are "firings". They aren't unfortunate accidents of external origin that happened to them, they are conscious internal decisions to let people go.
Is there a difference?
The same difference as in "He died of heart attack" and "She was killed in a car crash".
Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a difference?
It’s the same language used when taking about “car accidents” They aren’t accidents, it’s an inherent part of how we designed cars and roads and we decided as society that we are ok with thousands of people killed by cars.
> It’s the same language used when taking about “car accidents”
See perhaps the book There Are no Accidents by Jessie Singer:
> We hear it all the time: “Sorry, it was just an accident.” And we’ve been deeply conditioned to just accept that explanation and move on. But as Jessie Singer argues convincingly: There are no such things as accidents. The vast majority of mishaps are not random but predictable and preventable. Singer uncovers just how the term “accident” itself protects those in power and leaves the most vulnerable in harm’s way, preventing investigations, pushing off debts, blaming the victims, diluting anger, and even sparking empathy for the perpetrators.
[…]
> In this revelatory book, Singer tracks accidental death in America from turn of the century factories and coal mines to today’s urban highways, rural hospitals, and Superfund sites. Drawing connections between traffic accidents, accidental opioid overdoses, and accidental oil spills, Singer proves that what we call accidents are hardly random. Rather, who lives and dies by an accident in America is defined by money and power. She also presents a variety of actions we can take as individuals and as a society to stem the tide of “accidents”—saving lives and holding the guilty to account.
* https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/There-Are-No-Accident...
For automobiles specifically:
* https://crashnotaccident.com
* https://www.michigan.gov/mdot/travel/safety/road-users/crash...
* https://www.roadpeace.org/working-for-change/crash-not-accid...
Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#86Once a company moves on to recurring, large-scale layoffs justified by vague corporate Mumbo-Jumbo, I think it is safe to assume it is a "day 2" company.
Or they know something that the current Administration does not (or is withholding)? Maybe it's time to buckle up for a coming economic storm.
Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#87These aren't "job losses", these are "firings". They aren't unfortunate accidents of external origin that happened to them, they are conscious internal decisions to let people go.
Is there a difference?
Same as "hackers stole your data" versus "we left your data on an open S3 bucket"
Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#88does we live in era that side hustles is an necessity????
Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there a difference?
Passive vs. active voice. "Job losses" is chickenshit language. If you're going to fire people, at least have the integrity to own your actions, instead of trying to make it sound like something that "just happened".
That would make Bezos look bad .
Re: Amazon confirms 14,000 job losses in corporate division
#90It really feels like we are in the middle of a recession.
Recession is a term with a very defined meaning and that meaning does not include employment at all.
This is actually a good read: https://www.nber.org/research/business-cycle-dating
Employment is an important indicator according NBER.