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Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

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post #3

Interesting concept. The actual 404 pages look like: http://notfound-static.fwebservices.be/404/index.html

A 404 should render as a 404 when javascript is turned off. I understand the site itself might require javascript but the 404 should be sacred bare bones.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really, the missing person could turn up pretty much anywhere. Even if it leads to a single success story of somebody being found, I think it would be worth doing.

What if it causes someone in, say, Massachusetts to memorize the face and name of a missing child in, say, California and doing so causes them to forget or concentrate less on some local missing child?

I don't think people have a "missing children" memory buffer like that. I might be wrong though. If anyone has links to articles on human memory segmentation it would probably be interesting.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

#23
post #5

Seems ridiculous for any website without a very localized userbase.

Not really, the missing person could turn up pretty much anywhere. Even if it leads to a single success story of somebody being found, I think it would be worth doing.

Good point. In fact, you and I should go looking for missing children right now. If there's any chance at all, it's worth doing, right?

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

#25
There may be a small % of users hitting the 404 on their smartphones,of which an even miniscule # of users will be in the vicinity. Another alternative is that Foursquare could send a push notification for such alerts,embedded in check-in messages for users in the vicinity.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

#26

I appreciate the noble motives behind this, but programs like the AMBER alert have not proven very effective[1]. Furthermore, abductions by strangers are incredibly rare; most abductions are by people that the child knows well (such as an estranged parent/relative, etc.). These are the cases for which the AMBER alert is most likely to have success, but they're also the cases for which it is the least likely to be nec…

It seems like you are saying that the effort is futile because they won't find them anyway.

It doesn't matter of they are "incredibly rare". We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

#27

I appreciate the noble motives behind this, but programs like the AMBER alert have not proven very effective[1]. Furthermore, abductions by strangers are incredibly rare; most abductions are by people that the child knows well (such as an estranged parent/relative, etc.). These are the cases for which the AMBER alert is most likely to have success, but they're also the cases for which it is the least likely to be nec…

It seems like you are saying that the effort is futile because they won't find them anyway. It doesn't matter of they are "incredibly rare". We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it.

Please read this: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=psychology-...

> When people are asked to trade their sacred values for values considered to be secular—what psychologist Philip Tetlock refers to as a “taboo tradeoff”—they exhibit moral outrage, express anger and disgust, become increasingly inflexible in negotiations, and display an insensitivity to a strict cost-benefit analysis of the exchange. What’s more, when people receive monetary offers for relinquishing a sacred value, they display a particularly striking irrationality. Not only are people unwilling to compromise sacred values for money—contrary to classic economic theory’s assumption that financial incentives motivate behavior—but the inclusion of money in an offer produces a backfire effect such that people become even less likely to give up their sacred values compared to when an offer does not include money. People consider trading sacred values for money so morally reprehensible that they recoil at such proposals.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

#28

They certainly arn't shying away from controversy. I got an ad[1] for Madeleine McCann[2]. [1] http://cl.ly/image/1a280E0N3a2I [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCa...

That first page screams "troll" to me. If not for all the context from this page I would assume it was a mean joke.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

#29
post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if it causes someone in, say, Massachusetts to memorize the face and name of a missing child in, say, California and doing so causes them to forget or concentrate less on some local missing child?

I don't think people have a "missing children" memory buffer like that. I might be wrong though. If anyone has links to articles on human memory segmentation it would probably be interesting.

Probably not. I'm just saying, the "if only one child is saved!" argument is flawed, and ignores things like opportunity costs.

Re: Turn your 404s into lost children alerts

#30

I appreciate the noble motives behind this, but programs like the AMBER alert have not proven very effective[1]. Furthermore, abductions by strangers are incredibly rare; most abductions are by people that the child knows well (such as an estranged parent/relative, etc.). These are the cases for which the AMBER alert is most likely to have success, but they're also the cases for which it is the least likely to be nec…

It seems like you are saying that the effort is futile because they won't find them anyway. It doesn't matter of they are "incredibly rare". We are talking about human lives here. If it saves one life, it's worth it.

Maybe this makes me a terrible person or someone with a bad photographic memory, but I literally cannot recall any missing person's face that I've seen on a billboard, a website, a milk carton, etc. even if I saw them daily. Worse, the more sites that adopt this concept, the less likely I am to remember those faces and - out of how plain awful and sad it is it is - the less likely I am to even want to spend time looking at them.

There's got to be a better way.

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