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PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by Forgeties79 »

rileymat2 wrote: post #229

> "do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI, or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws." How does the legalese parse here? Does "violation of Federal anti-descrimination laws" apply to the whole thing or just the "discriminatory equity ideology" portion of the statement? I ask, because being in vi…

At the end of the day it’s about making sure any attempt to help, acknowledge, or in any way highlight marginalized groups is branded as discriminating against the administration’s preferred (usually but not always their own) demographic. The nuances don’t really matter to them, the goal is to make sure that happens every time. If you’re talking about the wrong group in a way they deem “bad,” they will ruin your life.

After all this whining about cancel culture for years and swearing up and down that the government was going to start cracking down on free speech, they have weaponized the government to do just that in the name of protecting 1A. But it’s not just conservative cancel culture, it’s straight up government censorship.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by neuronexmachina »

Some predictions on how the current admin is going to probably retaliate for the PSF withdrawing their proposal:

* IRS audit into the PSF's 501c3 status

* if the PSF has received federal funds in the past, they'll probably be targeted by the DOJ's "Civil Rights Fraud Initiative"

* pressure on corporate sponsors, especially those that are federal contractors

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by lumpa »

VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #208
bgwalter wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Pretty bold statement with no evidence.

Here's some evidence that he is, again, badmouthing the PSF without a good reason: https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2025/06/the-psfs-2024-annual-im...

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Post by [deleted] »

dangus wrote: post #61
aspir wrote: post #29

This isn't good for the PSF, but if these "poison pill" terms are a pattern that applies to all NSF and (presumably) other government research funding, the entire state of modern scientific research is at risk. Regardless of how you, as an individual, might feel about "DEI," imposing onerous political terms on scientific grants harms everyone in the long term.

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Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by bgwalter »

lumpa wrote: post #373
VerminOctopus1 wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty bold statement with no evidence.

Here's some evidence that he is, again, badmouthing the PSF without a good reason: https://pyfound.blogspot.com/2025/06/the-psfs-2024-annual-im...

Surely you mean "they are badmouthing". Enough to be expelled from the PSF.

Some official report from the PSF does not invalidate decades long observations. I see increasingly that programmers rely on PDFs from foundations and official statements from bureaucrats rather than look at the source code.

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Post by worik »

ipaddr wrote: post #174
etchalon wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't have to pretend it's not racist when it's factually not racist. And there's not really a debate about whether it rights historic wrong. There is a debate about whether righting historic wrongs is even possible. The debate is whether we can/should counterbalance existing wrongs in society. And I have hard time taking anyone seriously who says we shouldn't.

When you become what you are fighting against you become the problem. If the issue is not using a person's race to make blanket judgements against them then using someone's race to to counterbalance historical is equally as wrong. The message you are telling everyone is you should use someone's race to judge them. The people in power changes but the racism never goes away. You end up with foolish ideas like reparatio…

Golly

People have been getting the message "you should use someone's race to judge them" in my country for over a hundred years

In the USA since the seventeenth century

Here Māori property is confiscated with gay abandon, laws written specifically for that purpose

In the USA there was slavery. It has cast a long shadow, and still politicians are moving mountains to corral the black vote so it does not threaten entrenched privileges

Golly!

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Post by JPKab »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #323
JPKab wrote: post #259

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It's funny how the quest for "unique strengths" entirely ignores people with pale skin who grew up in trailer parks in Appalachia or farms in the midwest, despite the fact that they are dramatically underrepresented in our industry and in elite universities. The DEI policies favor people with dark skin (as long as they're not Asian) and 1250 SATs from wealthy suburbs over pale skin 1450 SATs from rural backwaters. It…

i'm one of those poor whites you're talking about (from another region; ethnic and economic bases covered though). you believe falsehoods. > And before you call me a bigot: My kids are "bi-racial", so if you think i'm a nazi, ask yourself why I hate my wife and kids. i would never ask you that. but i wonder if you should ask yourself how your views could potentially negatively impact your relationships with your fami…

What falsehoods do I believe, exactly?

And thank you for the condescending, pious, moral superiority in the "your views" comment. It perfectly encapsulates the quasi-religious nature of the DEI adherents.

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Post by pseudalopex »

adastra22 wrote: post #277
elicash wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My reading in context is different: https://www.governmentcontractorcomplianceupdate.com/2025/08...

That's a different, non-governmental website?

That was labor lawyers interpreting a governmental memorandum about the same issue substantially or precisely.

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Post by Cheer2171 »

VagabundoP wrote: post #328
nerevarthelame wrote: post #261

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If those tech companies make a habit of funding "pro-DEI" organizations, their contracts with the US government could be jeoparized. There's a reason that Google, Amazon, and Microsoft all gave Trump money to demolish the East Wing of the White House and build a ballroom. And it's not their love of ballroom dancing.

It is literally quid pro quo right now. you have to play the game and I don't blame them as such. But PSF doing this and not playing the game is really awesome. I just hope they can fund themselves through other means. EU should be stepping up more with funding for projects like this as a replacement for US tech. Major secure reliable funding for open source projects that EU infrastructure can be built on would only…

> you have to play the game and I don't blame them as such.

Not to Godwin the thread, but that is exactly what the executives at IBM thought about their European subsidiary Dehomag in the 1930s. Soon they were custom building machines that organized the logistics of the Holocaust.

They got away with it and kept all the profits and were exempted at Nuremberg, for the same reason as all the rocket scientists: America needed the tech.

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