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PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by gcanyon »

AlSweigart wrote: post #254
elicash wrote: post #228

On the one hand, the plain text of the language is not against DEI practices in general -- only DEI practices that are "in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws." On the other hand, the federal government has gone after law firms that are not actually in violation of law and forced settlements due to their DEI programs, so you can't actually trust that you won't be hassled. Additionally, that you won't at min…

Who, in 2025, is still giving the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the rule of law?

As I’ve said in the past: they need the benefit of the doubt on everything; they deserve the benefit of the doubt on nothing.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by bsder »

flumpcakes wrote: post #221
dang wrote: post #310

[stub for offtopicness / flamewarness / guideline-breakingness] (this is a rough cut - I know there are other posts left in the thread that arguably belong here, but this time I'm in a bit of a rush) (please, everyone, you can make substantive points thoughtfully but do so within the guardrails at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - avoid the generic-indignant-flamey-snarky-namecalley-hardcore-battley…

I'm not sure that the USA has ever been in such a low standing with the rest of the 'democratic world' in the last 100 years. That's not saying the rest of the world has their stuff together, but it seems that fundamentally un-American ethos is the new nationalist American one that a 1/3 of the country wants. What's happening guys?

> What's happening guys?

The people who benefited from those who sacrificed for rights and equality over the past century got complacent and lazy.

The current rhetoric is exactly the same as was used to discriminate against my ancestors 100 years ago. The only substitutions are the different slurs. Everyone who wants to talks about race and immigrants should be required to listen to 8 hours of radio programs from the early 1900s saying the exact same thing about them and their ancestors.

"It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt." -- John Philpot Curran, 1790

You fight or you lose. Every time; all the time. Politics is a contact sport and you don't get to opt out.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by throw-the-towel »

LexiMax wrote: post #281
aalimov_ wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take a look at the comments left by that profile. I don’t think that they would be able to understand what you are saying here, all they see is red. A partial recent comment “qcnguy” made: “DEI is an immoral, hate based and anti-truth ideology. Requiring the PSF to dump DEI if they want the money is good for everyone, because DEI is bad for people”

It's worth pointing out that this profile has been around for three months and already has enough karma to have access to the "flag" and "vouch" tools.

Even on HN, we're still human and hungry for controversy.

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Post by lenerdenator »

AlSweigart wrote: post #254
elicash wrote: post #228

On the one hand, the plain text of the language is not against DEI practices in general -- only DEI practices that are "in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws." On the other hand, the federal government has gone after law firms that are not actually in violation of law and forced settlements due to their DEI programs, so you can't actually trust that you won't be hassled. Additionally, that you won't at min…

Who, in 2025, is still giving the Trump administration the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the rule of law?

Roughly half of the country, give or take.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by spankalee »

mjburgess wrote: post #283
rdtsc wrote: post #233

Good for them for putting their money where their mouth is and standing up for what they believe. Also, this is a golden opportunity for multi-billion dollar tech companies to also do the same and match or double the grant money in support of PSF! Google, AWS, Microsoft, anyone?

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> > The mission of the Python Software Foundation is to promote, protect, and advance the Python programming language, and to support and facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers.

> The mission explicitly calls for engineering a racial and ethinic composoition to the user base.

If you're going to lie, don't refute yourself right before the lie.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by nsagent »

bgwalter wrote: post #272

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I'd be 100% okay with the government stating no grant money can be used for funding DEI, but the actual wording in the grant prevents organizations like the PSF from any DEI, whether or not it is funded by the government grant. That's overly broad and seems likely to be an infringement of the first amendment (though I'm not a lawyer, so this is my lay interpretation).

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Post by socketcluster »

dang wrote: post #310

[stub for offtopicness / flamewarness / guideline-breakingness] (this is a rough cut - I know there are other posts left in the thread that arguably belong here, but this time I'm in a bit of a rush) (please, everyone, you can make substantive points thoughtfully but do so within the guardrails at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - avoid the generic-indignant-flamey-snarky-namecalley-hardcore-battley…

Wow. What luxury some people have to reject $1.5 million.

For that kind of money, I would put a large national flag in the banner of the socketcluster.io website, I would relocate HQ to whatever country and state they want. I would never utter the word 'diversity' for the rest of my life and upon receiving the money, I would take a screenshot, frame it, put it up on the back wall of my new office and I would pray to it every morning to give thanks.

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Post by acdha »

speakfreely wrote: post #287

Choosing to advocate your personal political beliefs over the interests of your organization should be grounds for dismissal.

Exactly why they had to do this: the PSF mission statement is “to promote, protect, and advance the Python programming language, and to support and facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers.” Letting a minority of Americans limit them to the subset of people they consider politically correct wouldn’t be in keeping with that mission.

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Post by ModernMech »

jcranmer wrote: post #273
elicash wrote: post #228

On the one hand, the plain text of the language is not against DEI practices in general -- only DEI practices that are "in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws." On the other hand, the federal government has gone after law firms that are not actually in violation of law and forced settlements due to their DEI programs, so you can't actually trust that you won't be hassled. Additionally, that you won't at min…

The text is: > we "do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI, or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws." There's some ambiguity in syntax as to whether or not "in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws" attaches to "discriminatory equity ideology" or "any programs that advance or promote DE…

The best and brightest are not working on these matters.They put out work product with misspellings, misstatements, outright lies, and ChatGPT hallucinations. We have to assume any mistakes are unintentional. Maybe if you’re sued, the mistake gets you off the hook in front of a judge, but you should expect to be hassled no matter what the actual text says.

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Post by etchalon »

ipaddr wrote: post #174
etchalon wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't have to pretend it's not racist when it's factually not racist. And there's not really a debate about whether it rights historic wrong. There is a debate about whether righting historic wrongs is even possible. The debate is whether we can/should counterbalance existing wrongs in society. And I have hard time taking anyone seriously who says we shouldn't.

When you become what you are fighting against you become the problem. If the issue is not using a person's race to make blanket judgements against them then using someone's race to to counterbalance historical is equally as wrong. The message you are telling everyone is you should use someone's race to judge them. The people in power changes but the racism never goes away. You end up with foolish ideas like reparatio…

Nothing in my post mentioned reparations, nor did it imply that all efforts are equal or even valid.

The foolish idea is that you can't do anything about racism because it'd require helping some people while not helping others.

Which is a bit like thinking you can't feed the hungry because you're not giving food to the obese.

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