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PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by LexiMax »

aalimov_ wrote: post #165
pavon wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its not fraud. The grant proposal accurately describes the research occurring, and people evaluating the grant will have no misconception about what they are funding. The problem is that political appointees have been applying dumb keyword searches which block research that has nothing to do with the issues they object to. Like using privilege in the computer security sense. Or bias in the statistical sense, unrelate…

Take a look at the comments left by that profile. I don’t think that they would be able to understand what you are saying here, all they see is red. A partial recent comment “qcnguy” made: “DEI is an immoral, hate based and anti-truth ideology. Requiring the PSF to dump DEI if they want the money is good for everyone, because DEI is bad for people”

It's worth pointing out that this profile has been around for three months and already has enough karma to have access to the "flag" and "vouch" tools.

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Post by MangoCoffee »

dang wrote: post #310

[stub for offtopicness / flamewarness / guideline-breakingness] (this is a rough cut - I know there are other posts left in the thread that arguably belong here, but this time I'm in a bit of a rush) (please, everyone, you can make substantive points thoughtfully but do so within the guardrails at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - avoid the generic-indignant-flamey-snarky-namecalley-hardcore-battley…

the original idea of DEI "Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion" is good but it got twisted. it became the rally crying for the other side.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by mjburgess »

rdtsc wrote: post #233

Good for them for putting their money where their mouth is and standing up for what they believe. Also, this is a golden opportunity for multi-billion dollar tech companies to also do the same and match or double the grant money in support of PSF! Google, AWS, Microsoft, anyone?

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Post by phlakaton »

rdtsc wrote: post #233

Good for them for putting their money where their mouth is and standing up for what they believe. Also, this is a golden opportunity for multi-billion dollar tech companies to also do the same and match or double the grant money in support of PSF! Google, AWS, Microsoft, anyone?

Sorry, I think they're probably all out of funds after chipping in for Trump's new royal ballroom.

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Post by anon946 »

Note that many universities still have DEI offices. I believe that they are interpreting as described here: https://www.governmentcontractorcomplianceupdate.com/2025/08.... So as long as they can show that they are not doing any of those, they seem to believe that they will be okay.

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Post by cls59 »

elicash wrote: post #228

On the one hand, the plain text of the language is not against DEI practices in general -- only DEI practices that are "in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws." On the other hand, the federal government has gone after law firms that are not actually in violation of law and forced settlements due to their DEI programs, so you can't actually trust that you won't be hassled. Additionally, that you won't at min…

Agreed. I think the buried lede here is actually the clawback clause. With that in the contract, this isn't a $1.5 million dollar grant, it's a $1.5 million dollar liability.

If you take the money and spend it on research and development and then get hit by a clawback, whether due to "DEI" or some other reason, that is a financially ruinous event to somehow come up with $1.5 million dollars that was already spent.

A shame and a waste as it sounds like the project would have been beneficial outside of the Python ecosystem, had it been funded.

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Post by charcircuit »

henearkr wrote: post #258
charcircuit wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That is not the problematic part of the grant conditions.

The following antidiscrimination laws part was the part quoted in the article linked here. The part they said was recently added. What part are you referring to?
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