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PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by lingrush4 »

__alexs wrote: post #10
bilekas wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems very un-American. The government dictating how you run your business ? > “do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI, or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws.” Is that even legal to add such an arbitrary and opinionated reason to a government grant? I applaud them for taking a stand, it…

> discriminatory equity ideology Isn't that when you let your mates buy into your corrupt private investment vehicles for cheap?

I have no idea what point you think you're making, but this happens all the time. Do you really think you should be obligated to let strangers buy into your private business?

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by loloquwowndueo »

throwaway091025 wrote: post #48
MeetingsBrowser wrote: post #44

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If you read > support and facilitate the growth of a diverse and international community of Python programmers as a racist statement, you need to step back and re-evaluate things.

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Equity vs. Equality. Google it, “my dude”.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by pbronez »

bilekas wrote: post #8
dang wrote: post #310

[stub for offtopicness / flamewarness / guideline-breakingness] (this is a rough cut - I know there are other posts left in the thread that arguably belong here, but this time I'm in a bit of a rush) (please, everyone, you can make substantive points thoughtfully but do so within the guardrails at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - avoid the generic-indignant-flamey-snarky-namecalley-hardcore-battley…

This seems very un-American. The government dictating how you run your business ? > “do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI, or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws.” Is that even legal to add such an arbitrary and opinionated reason to a government grant? I applaud them for taking a stand, it…

Federal money always has lots of strings attached. The specific rules differ by the specific funding vehicle. The main vehicle is the Federal Acquisitions Regulation (FAR); you can review their rule here:

https://www.acquisition.gov/far/part-52

This is basically the US Federal Government’s standard Master Services Agreement (MSA).

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by fn-mote »

politician wrote: post #77
wrs wrote: post #31

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If it was simply an agreement that the recipient won’t violate Federal law, it wouldn’t need to be stated (how could the intention be otherwise?). So I read it as an agreement to an interpretation that doing those things would violate the law.

> I read it as an agreement to an interpretation that doing those things would violate the law. The Executive branch can make any claim it wants, but the Judiciary branch has the authority to decide what a reviewable claim means.

The GP's point is that it puts recipients in the position of having to argue that something they agreed to is invalid. This presumably places a higher burden of proof on the company.

In the absence of such a statement, the first claim would need to be "the DEI program your company runs is against federal law", which could then be tested in the courts.

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by qcnguy »

aspir wrote: post #29

This isn't good for the PSF, but if these "poison pill" terms are a pattern that applies to all NSF and (presumably) other government research funding, the entire state of modern scientific research is at risk. Regardless of how you, as an individual, might feel about "DEI," imposing onerous political terms on scientific grants harms everyone in the long term.

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Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by thinkcontext »

throwaway091025 wrote: post #33
dang wrote: post #310

[stub for offtopicness / flamewarness / guideline-breakingness] (this is a rough cut - I know there are other posts left in the thread that arguably belong here, but this time I'm in a bit of a rush) (please, everyone, you can make substantive points thoughtfully but do so within the guardrails at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - avoid the generic-indignant-flamey-snarky-namecalley-hardcore-battley…

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“I’d just become leader and I’m excited and President Trump’s there. And I look over at the Democrats and they stand up. They look like America,” he told Sorkin. “We stand up. We look like the most restrictive country club in America.”

Kevin McCarthy, former GOP House leader and Speak of the House.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/30/mccarthy-...

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by drstewart »

jhack wrote: post #63
dang wrote: post #310

[stub for offtopicness / flamewarness / guideline-breakingness] (this is a rough cut - I know there are other posts left in the thread that arguably belong here, but this time I'm in a bit of a rush) (please, everyone, you can make substantive points thoughtfully but do so within the guardrails at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html - avoid the generic-indignant-flamey-snarky-namecalley-hardcore-battley…

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Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by k1rd »

dangus wrote: post #61
aspir wrote: post #29

This isn't good for the PSF, but if these "poison pill" terms are a pattern that applies to all NSF and (presumably) other government research funding, the entire state of modern scientific research is at risk. Regardless of how you, as an individual, might feel about "DEI," imposing onerous political terms on scientific grants harms everyone in the long term.

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Isn't the opposite of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion by de Morgan law homogeneity or inequity or exclusion?

Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by lingrush4 »

dang wrote: post #310

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Re: PSF has withdrawn $1.5M proposal to US Government grant program

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Post by etchalon »

ipaddr wrote: post #73
etchalon wrote: post #54

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pro-skin-diversity is a real weird way to say "against racism."

They are for racism. Treat one group different from others based on race. We can debate whether doing this rights historical wrongs but we can't pretend it is not racist to treat different people of different skin colors differently.

We don't have to pretend it's not racist when it's factually not racist.

And there's not really a debate about whether it rights historic wrong. There is a debate about whether righting historic wrongs is even possible.

The debate is whether we can/should counterbalance existing wrongs in society.

And I have hard time taking anyone seriously who says we shouldn't.

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