Myspace previews complete redesign • Hacker News Board

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 6:09 PM UTC

luriel wrote: post #160

jenius wrote: post #141

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So what exactly do you propose? That we just halt all technological innovation on the web so that people that don't feel better about having old browsers and/or computers? This is a ridiculous idea, and a ridiculous comment. I'm a web developer and I'm so excited about making awesome things and the fact that the web is evolving and enabling us to do this, and share our creations with the world. People like you and co…

> So what exactly do you propose? Sane and simple standards that can be implemented in any platform without requiring hundreds of man years of effort. Nothing done in the web today is particularly technically advanced, we are about the same UI level as standard apps were more than 10 years ago (hell, I doubt you can build a photo manipulation app today that can compete with where Photoshop was 10 years ago). Most of…

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Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by jarek » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 6:09 PM UTC

jacobr wrote: post #44

aw3c2 wrote: post #39

Latest Opera and I get insulted: Not so fast! Our superpowers have detected you're using an outdated browser. That must mean: a You don't use the Internet very often. b You're at your parents' place on the PC they bought in 1996. c You work for the government or a big corporation. There's still hope. If you answered a or b, all you need to do is click on one of the beautiful icons below, follow the instructions and y…

Works fine when you "Identify as Firefox"

Yeah, "d - You don't usually jump through hoops to get a demo website working in your perfectly capable browser" must have been left off the list accidentally.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by sunkencity » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 6:33 PM UTC

jarek wrote: post #248

sunkencity wrote: post #238

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Doesn't that say more about Opera than Myspace? It even works in lynx. https://twitter.com/tuxtux/status/250605928691417088/photo/1...

Not sure if that was sarcasm or not. What that actually says is that they're explicitly blocking Opera by the user-agent string, and haven't bothered blocking Lynx. As pointed out elsewhere in comments here, the page actually works just fine in Opera when you tell it to spoof the user-agent string to pretend it's Firefox.

Yeah, it's pretty a bad practice blocking on user agent. Re: Opera - I just think it's a pain and an unwanted cost to support Opera. Though my dislike for Opera comes mainly from having developed mobile apps for a long time and having to deal with debugging though their "enhancing" proxy.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by jarek » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 7:03 PM UTC

sunkencity wrote: post #253

jarek wrote: post #248

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Not sure if that was sarcasm or not. What that actually says is that they're explicitly blocking Opera by the user-agent string, and haven't bothered blocking Lynx. As pointed out elsewhere in comments here, the page actually works just fine in Opera when you tell it to spoof the user-agent string to pretend it's Firefox.

Yeah, it's pretty a bad practice blocking on user agent. Re: Opera - I just think it's a pain and an unwanted cost to support Opera. Though my dislike for Opera comes mainly from having developed mobile apps for a long time and having to deal with debugging though their "enhancing" proxy.

These days I have no problem with sites who don't want to support some users, that's their call. I wouldn't recommend suggesting the users must not use the internet very often though.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by __abc » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 7:19 PM UTC

exterm wrote: post #243

__abc wrote: post #183

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I challenge your assumption that the average person knows how to spoof user agents.

Actually that's quite easy in Opera. There is a dropdown box to select different user agents called "Browser Identification".

I understand that the HN audience finds it incredibly simple to do. My point being, go ask your family members who don't frequent HN (or sites like it) what a user-agent is.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by rudog » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 8:46 PM UTC

mratzloff wrote: post #79

They've been working on this for awhile. I interviewed at Myspace about 3 years ago (mostly for the hell of it) and they were talking about the foundation for this interface. Their back end, from what I could tell, was a mess: C#, Ruby, Java, PHP, some ColdFusion still around... These poor guys were working long hours. There were hundreds of employees, but they couldn't turn Myspace into something that 5 talented guy…

I can assure you whatever position you were interviewing for 3 years ago, it wasn't for this. That was most likely for the previous reskin they did a few years ago.

The frontend / backend was completely rewritten over the course of this year, throwing out most of everything from the old site.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by jaysonelliot » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 9:04 PM UTC

As a UX designer, I was fascinated by what was actually happening behind all the fast edits and hip soundtrack, so I stayed up far too late last night writing this 4,000 word deconstruction of the new demo: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4572608

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by DigitalSea » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 10:14 PM UTC

prawn wrote: post #193

DigitalSea wrote: post #164

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I'll pass on your humbling words to the design team, I'm sure they'll appreciate your words. They put a lot of hard work into the redesign, they're not trying to be anything. What you see is a refreshing take on a social site and although I am biased because I work for the agency that designed (as a developer) it doesn't take a designer to see this is the best MySpace has ever looked. It's condescending comments like…

Wait, the guy's complaining about condescending browser-fail messages and you have a go at him for writing something condescending? That's entirely independent of the design (which I like).

Oh, my apologies. HN didn't show me the context in which the comment was said, so it just appeared to be a general fact-less stab. Please ignore my comment.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by notatoad » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 10:25 PM UTC

Tomis02 wrote: post #241

rauljara wrote: post #111

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I agree with you that opera should support web sprockets, and I sympathize with web developers making the decision to develop for new technology and browsers that don't support it be damned. But the actual message myspace displays is pretty needlessly snarky and stupidly insulting. I also have zero faith they'll be able to update their browser detection script often enough to avoid looking like dinosaurs themselves f…

Opera does support web sockets: opera:config#UserPrefs|EnableWebSockets They are not enabled by default, that's all. So it's not just that the message is snarky and insulting, it reflects ignorance as well.

speaking of reflecting ignorance: thinking that disabled-by-default browser settings count as support.

Re: Myspace previews complete redesign

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Post by robbyvalles » Tue, Sep 25, 2012, 11:05 PM UTC

lordlarm wrote: post #48

As a computer scientist and an Opera user this actually insults me: http://i.imgur.com/7k0bN.png Ironically Opera was the one who proposed the -tag which this site uses for it's rotating LP, in 2007. [1] Way to exclude users. [1]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5_video#History_of_.3Cvideo...

opera 12 is supported now, just pushed