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People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

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Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

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What do you think about the recent "People with blindness" obsession, as evidenced in the title? I am not blind nor deaf etc., but I am frankly fed up with it. In my case, should I call myself "a person with programming, Czechness and fortysomething years"? Nope, I am a middle-aged Czech programmer. Yes, that does not reflect my entire personality and humanity. So what. Better than this sort of language abuse.

> What do you think about the recent "People with blindness" obsession, as evidenced in the title? Is there really an "obsession"? Also, while I don't deny there's some discussion here, I think you really have to squint to read the title in such a way. In any case, I ... really don't care. As another commenter says, there are other, bigger, more important hills to die on than getting worked up about people trying to…

"something that barely affects you at all. Why?"

First, this is often forced on people from the above. I don't like the idea of language coercion, doubly so for ideological reasons. Imagine that BBC journalists were forced to include Allah or some nationalist tropes in their work in order to increase piousness and patriotism of their readers; to some people, this actually sounds like a good idea! I don't believe you would wave it away easily.

Orwell described this well with his "Ministry of Truth". BBC (from which this article comes) isn't a ministry, but isn't a private subject either.

Second, can you think about the long term consequences? Just look around at the sorry state of Western politics and Western online discourse.

Language is one of the few cultural commons that remains. There is no chance that stuff like "people with blindness" or "LatinX" will universally prevail. Too many people react to it negatively, including in the young generation. We run a real risk of the left and the right developing mutually incomprehensible languages, which would be a disaster - once that happens, the polarization will be cemented in, because swing voters would have to be bilingual.

I've seen the split of Czechoslovakia myself, and Czech and Slovak aren't even mutually incomprehensible. Just far enough to remind the people that they are very different from each other.

Third, this construct is extremely impractical. One of the actual observations of Chomsky is that natural languages are good at chaining things. For example, you can easily talk about poor blind homeless black people. Once you enter this rabbit hole fully, you have people of color with blindness experiencing poverty and unhousedness. This is just not a reasonable way to communicate and this is also my main hope that this abomination dies out. (It reminds me of Old Norse kennings [0], but those were an art form and never considered to be an actual language of communication.)

Again, see Orwell and his newspeak (Oldthinkers unbellyfeel Ingsoc.) Orwell wrote his dystopias based on experience with the English intellectual far left, and it seems that those ideas live on.

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Summed together, to start all this while the actual blind people DGAF, as you yourself say, is at best an experiment in futility and at worst throwing more ** into the fan that has us already deeply covered in **.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenning

Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

#102
post #25

A bit of a tengent, but... For those worrying about their eyesight when getting older... If you are into FLOSS, one last defense against your eyes failing when you get older is actually to contribute to accessibility before you (hopefully never) end up needing it. Disclaimer: I am blind myself.

Just out of curiosity, do you have thoughts on what some of the most useful projects are to those in your position, that one could contribute to?

It depends.

Windows: Definitely NVDA (github.com/nvaccess/nvda) Linux: AT-SPI, ATK, Orca for the graphical side of things. The console/terminal is pretty well supported.

Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

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post #102

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Just out of curiosity, do you have thoughts on what some of the most useful projects are to those in your position, that one could contribute to?

It depends. Windows: Definitely NVDA (github.com/nvaccess/nvda) Linux: AT-SPI, ATK, Orca for the graphical side of things. The console/terminal is pretty well supported.

Thanks for those links. I recently looked for a plugin that reads highlighted text in firefox that "just works"... but found limited success (this was on linux). But really great to see that there are large-scale, OS-level already established FLOSS projects out there.

Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

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For the sake of the patients, I hope there's a better long-term service plan than Second Sight Medical Products had: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_retinal_prosthesis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)

Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just out of curiosity, do you have thoughts on what some of the most useful projects are to those in your position, that one could contribute to?

It depends. Windows: Definitely NVDA (github.com/nvaccess/nvda) Linux: AT-SPI, ATK, Orca for the graphical side of things. The console/terminal is pretty well supported.

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Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

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post #28

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It's not the only imaginable way, but it is the society we (in the vast majority of the world) live in, and I agree it doesn't really make sense to bash something not continuing to exist unprofitably when it was developed for profit. It's annoying when software support ends for anything, phones, Nest Protect, (any Google product!), but I think best to bear it in mind in buying anything that it's a possibility, who ar…

This isn’t a smartphone it’s someone’s sight dude. Surely the conversation should be slightly different?

Of course sight is more serious than smartphone; my point is that if you rely on a for-profit company, then you should take that consideration (familiar from smartphones) more seriously for your sight.

Occurs to me there was actually a Black Mirror episode on basically this in the latest season - not sight exactly, but a neurological implant of some kind. (Jacking subscription fees, removing features, etc., with real-world consequence.)

Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

#108
post #25

A bit of a tengent, but... For those worrying about their eyesight when getting older... If you are into FLOSS, one last defense against your eyes failing when you get older is actually to contribute to accessibility before you (hopefully never) end up needing it. Disclaimer: I am blind myself.

What do you think about the recent "People with blindness" obsession, as evidenced in the title? I am not blind nor deaf etc., but I am frankly fed up with it. In my case, should I call myself "a person with programming, Czechness and fortysomething years"? Nope, I am a middle-aged Czech programmer. Yes, that does not reflect my entire personality and humanity. So what. Better than this sort of language abuse.

Not sure I understand your point, but if it’s helpful, I’m blind, prefer to be called blind, but get tired of educating people on what “blind” actually means as it’s a spectrum and not a binary condition.

In my community we refer to non-blind people as “sighted” which I suppose is also a spectrum.

Blind is very descriptive, and in my opinion not derogatory. I’d rather it not be my primary differentiator or descriptor unless comparing me to virtually identical people who have full or near full vision. “The blind engineer on the team” is ok with me as it’s the fastest way to describe me if we’re all middle aged guys with beards. If I’m the only bearded guy on the team of middle aged engineers I’d prefer “the engineer with a beard”

Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

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The way I would solve that is by requiring that any software / documentation required for the operation, maintenance and repair of medical implants must be stored with some appropriate government body. If the company becomes unwilling or unable to service the product the information is made public.

I've seen (commercial) software put in 'Escrow' before when a client uses it; effectively a lawyer (or similar) holds onto a copy so that if the original company goes under, then the buyer can get hold of it.

This is done whenever public utilities buy custom software.

Re: People with blindness can read again after retinal implant and special glasses

#110

For the sake of the patients, I hope there's a better long-term service plan than Second Sight Medical Products had: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argus_retinal_prosthesis

The only "almost messed up" thing I could find about the service, was this: > Second Sight merged with Nano Precision Medical in August 2023 with a commitment to provide technical support for the Argus II Maybe you're alluding to something more than is mentioned in that article, did they not fulfill their commitment to provide the technical support in the end?

> did they not fulfill their commitment to provide the technical support in the end?

If they did not fulfill their commitment continuously, it's messed up.

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