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TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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>leaving Rust for Zig for the sheer enjoyment of using it instead. What do people find more enjoyable?

Zig feels like a better C with modern tooling. It is a tool that works for me. Rust feels like a better C++ with modern tooling. I am a tool that works for it.

Rust is a worse C++ with modern tooling.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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That's about 1 year's worth of salary of a full-time dev.

More like 1 month. I'd even say it's a week for a competent one, and maybe a day for a 10x developer. These days it'll pay for maybe one hour of a HRT or Jane Street intern and maybe a few seconds of someone at renowned AI lab Cluely.

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Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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That's about 1 year's worth of salary of a full-time dev.

Where can I get a $512k a year salary job?

Keep in mind the rule of thumb that a employee costs twice their salary, so that would be a 206k/year salary. Generous for some, low for others. The salary spread in the US is crazy.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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In performing an assessment of which ecosystem and PL to use to develop our high-integrity automation software for mission-critical applications, we assessed Rust, Zig, and Ada/SPARK. Rust had the support behind it from a big corp., a passionate developer community, and some adoption by significant entities, but none with cyber-physical systems. And it has been interesting to see some developers leaving Rust for Zig…

https://ferrocene.dev/en/ is a Rust toolchain which has achieved some certifications for mission critical applications similar to Ada/SPARK.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's like saying bacon is better than cheese. I totally get why some people would feel that way, but it's far from a universal feeling. Tastes are just subjective.

I think most folks would agree that Rust is an "acquired" taste. You need to kneel to the borrow-checker and develop something like a Stockholm syndrome before you find the language delicious.

Having a well designed type system is a as addictive as sugar.

Also, Rust has a bunch of annoying warts but the borrowck ain't one of them (unless you're trying to write a linked list but it's not really something that happens IRL).

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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post #11

In performing an assessment of which ecosystem and PL to use to develop our high-integrity automation software for mission-critical applications, we assessed Rust, Zig, and Ada/SPARK. Rust had the support behind it from a big corp., a passionate developer community, and some adoption by significant entities, but none with cyber-physical systems. And it has been interesting to see some developers leaving Rust for Zig…

>leaving Rust for Zig for the sheer enjoyment of using it instead. What do people find more enjoyable?

In a way, it's a return to simpler times. I remember learning programming C and it was about programming computers, not abstract concepts. As languages got higher level abstractions, we lost touch with the computer. That's why programs are so bloated today. Zig respects that we are programming a computer, with concrete behaviours, it doesn't try to abstract things away, doesn't hide complexity, and yet gives you tools for managing it. That's why I enjoy it.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Yeah, that is a lot more insightful than Synadia's marketing spew, thanks.

The BDFL point is particularly interesting to me having followed C++ for almost two decades and having been disenfranchised by the inconsistency of the design. I am more of the belief now that a BDFL is the right model for programming language design, particularly one that isn't insular and listens to feedback, but upholds their vision for the language above all else.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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I'm absolutely struggling to understand what Synadia even does. it's been an infuriating experience navigating through their marketing site. It's been minutes and I still don't understand what it is. What is NATS? Edit: I had to google what NATS.IO is. The marketing site is infuriatingly useless. Please, can we stop doing this? Edit: At the bottom on the footer it says compare NATS to Kafka. It took me to a page that…

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