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TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by jorangreef »

9front wrote: post #38

That's a pledge only! Let me know when Synadia & TiregBeetle actually send money to Zig Foundation.

Joran from TigerBeetle here!

TigerBeetle actually already donated around ~$100K this past year. We just didn't announce it.

With revenue increasing, we wanted to increase our donation to the foundation to $128K per year going forward, and Synadia were keen to match. The only reason we announced it this time is to encourage other companies to join us.

Finally, as I wrote in TB's post [1], both companies have already donated the first installment, and Derek and I have also both been donating as individual donors in our personal capacity since around 2018.

Hope that clears it up for you! :)

Please join us and consider donating (or increasing your donation): https://ziglang.org/zsf/

[1] https://tigerbeetle.com/blog/2025-10-25-synadia-and-tigerbee...

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by anymouse123456 »

tayo42 wrote: post #20
eggy wrote: post #11

In performing an assessment of which ecosystem and PL to use to develop our high-integrity automation software for mission-critical applications, we assessed Rust, Zig, and Ada/SPARK. Rust had the support behind it from a big corp., a passionate developer community, and some adoption by significant entities, but none with cyber-physical systems. And it has been interesting to see some developers leaving Rust for Zig…

>leaving Rust for Zig for the sheer enjoyment of using it instead. What do people find more enjoyable?

They aren't even close.

Trying to write Rust as a noob feels like being in a blackout swamp, waist deep in muck, fighting through thick air and trying, but failing to run from danger. Being utterly constrained in every direction.

Writing Zig as a noob feels like having the clouds part to reveal a bright, sunny Spring clearing and suddenly being able to cover land in a cheerful group with clarity, purpose and focus.

[Edit] Of course, this is purely subjective, obviously a skill issue and YMMV

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by renewiltord »

meindnoch wrote: post #29

That's about 1 year's worth of salary of a full-time dev.

More like 1 month. I'd even say it's a week for a competent one, and maybe a day for a 10x developer. These days it'll pay for maybe one hour of a HRT or Jane Street intern and maybe a few seconds of someone at renowned AI lab Cluely.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by pyrolistical »

gorjusborg wrote: post #28
tayo42 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>leaving Rust for Zig for the sheer enjoyment of using it instead. What do people find more enjoyable?

Zig feels like a better C with modern tooling. It is a tool that works for me. Rust feels like a better C++ with modern tooling. I am a tool that works for it.

This is what people don’t understand. Zig and Rust are not competitors. Rust is a better C++ but C was the good part of C++.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by jtrueb »

The reason for not choosing Rust still doesn't make any sense to me. If you don’t want to OOM, need correctness, are following the power of ten (where you aren’t allocating anyways), I don’t see the conflict or harm of additional enforced correctness.

Also, Rust does support checked arithmetic and has stable toolchains.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by jorangreef »

jtrueb wrote: post #46

The reason for not choosing Rust still doesn't make any sense to me. If you don’t want to OOM, need correctness, are following the power of ten (where you aren’t allocating anyways), I don’t see the conflict or harm of additional enforced correctness. Also, Rust does support checked arithmetic and has stable toolchains.

Out of interest, did you read the two posts [0][1] linked in there by matklad, creator of rust-analyzer as well as IntelliJ Rust, on our team?

Suffice to say, we know the intrusive memory and comptime patterns we use in our code base, and they wouldn't be as natural to express in a language other than Zig.

Rust is a great language, but Zig made more sense for what I wanted to create in TigerBeetle.

[0] https://matklad.github.io/2023/03/26/zig-and-rust.html

[1] https://lobste.rs/s/uhtjdz/rust_vs_zig_reality_somewhat_frie...

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by andrewflnr »

mikkupikku wrote: post #31
gethly wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard that very recently in a movie, just cannot recall which one.

It's popularly claimed to be a Navy SEAL saying. I have no idea if that's true, but I think it has some broad merit to many things, almost anything which benefits from careful planning or training. In this context, throwing a big lump sum of money all at once could pressure the developers to spend money / hire too fast without careful planning. Spreading the payments out could be the donor's way of saying they don't…

It seems quite wide spread by now, at least. I heard it in at least one martial arts class (and something what recently that I can't place). The people who said it could have gotten it from military background.

Anyway, it should be widespread, since it's basically true, though perhaps more relevant for physical skills than for donation scheduling.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by 9front »

jorangreef wrote: post #41
9front wrote: post #38

That's a pledge only! Let me know when Synadia & TiregBeetle actually send money to Zig Foundation.

Joran from TigerBeetle here! TigerBeetle actually already donated around ~$100K this past year. We just didn't announce it. With revenue increasing, we wanted to increase our donation to the foundation to $128K per year going forward, and Synadia were keen to match. The only reason we announced it this time is to encourage other companies to join us. Finally, as I wrote in TB's post [1], both companies have already d…

Very well done, sir! Now you challenged me to make a donation also. However, as an individual I assure you that it won't match yours.

Re: TigerBeetle and Synadia pledge $512k to the Zig Software Foundation

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Post by jorangreef »

9front wrote: post #49
jorangreef wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Joran from TigerBeetle here! TigerBeetle actually already donated around ~$100K this past year. We just didn't announce it. With revenue increasing, we wanted to increase our donation to the foundation to $128K per year going forward, and Synadia were keen to match. The only reason we announced it this time is to encourage other companies to join us. Finally, as I wrote in TB's post [1], both companies have already d…

Very well done, sir! Now you challenged me to make a donation also. However, as an individual I assure you that it won't match yours.

Thank you, my friend! Let me know when it's done (only so that we can celebrate it together—good faith for the win!).
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