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Re: Roc Camera

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It wouldn't work at all as open source since you could just modify the source to sign your AI generated pictures.

Okay. What prevents you from printing out a AI generated picture and taking a photo of that with the camera?

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Re: Roc Camera

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Can't you just not care and power through? Someones always going to be miffed regardless. I keep a Rollei A110 on me at all times and a tiny Minox EC that takes me hours to refill. When I bring it out people love it. It's a throwback that people very much appreciate. I can see people getting miffed at a big digital camera though.

Why do you think anyone is entitled to upload photographs showing other people to the internet where they are completely out of control of what happens next?

Let me flip that on you: Why not? How do you decide what people are entitled to? Am I entitled to have an opinion on the internet?

Where lies the line? Would it be ok to paint a picture showing other people and show it to a third person?

Re: Roc Camera

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A different thread mentions "what if you take a photo of an AI photo with the Roc camera?" - I still think that would be hard due to perspective, lighting, various other artifacts. Scanning an image would be much easier to dupe though - scanners are basically controlled perspective/lighting environments so scanning an actual polaroid vs an ai generated polaroid printed on photo paper would be pretty indistinguishable…

Maybe I am just naive, but I don't see why taking a photo of a screen, projection, or print out would be hard. Wouldn't it just need even lighting and tripod? Adding something like a LIDAR and somehow baking that data into the meta data could be fun

Then people will connect their fake image and LIDAR feed to where the CMOS is connected. Like always with half-baked digital attestation chains, laypersons will argue "Oh, but who's gonna do that?" and the reality is that even private modders and hackers are perfectly willing and capable of doing this and will jump on it right away, and if it's just for the fun to distribute a certified picture of an alien giving everyone the finger. Of course, tamper-proof designs would be possible, but they are extremely expensive.

On a side note, the best way to attack this particular camera is probably by attacking the software.

Re: Roc Camera

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That's odd, and to reassure you I would say that I personally would rather see somebody with a physical camera. That way I know I can avoid the area they're photographing if I don't want to be shot or just be aware I'm going to be in a photo otherwise. It also makes me (rightly or wrongly) think the photo will be uploaded somewhere a bit higher than an Instagram / Facebook feed (my wife used to put DSLR photos on Ins…

> for an image feed website I used to be shocked at how poorly images were downscaled, maybe that's changed It has not, still garbage.

I figured as much. Oh well, not like it's primary function is an image sharing site :)

Re: Roc Camera

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I fail to see the hand wringing about media forms that didn’t exist 150 years ago.

Even worse when I see people saying “it’s over” for slop content posted on social media

We lived fine and well before social media or photography or videos.

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I am sorry if I missed something or someone already asked it, but: If I generate image with AI, print it, then take a photo of it with Roc Camera so that you can't tell that this is actually a printed image, I will then have an AI image with ZKP of its authenticity?

Presumably you could stop this by requiring GPS data for the image, and match that against a library of other images in the location?

Re: Roc Camera

#208
I don't think ZK proofs help to establish trust in a photo's authenticity at all. C2PA is a well thought out solution to this problem.

https://spec.c2pa.org/specifications/specifications/2.2/spec...

> The C2PA information comprises a series of statements that cover areas such as asset creation, edit actions, capture device details, bindings to content and many other subjects. These statements, called assertions, make up the provenance of a given asset and represent a series of trust signals that can be used by a human to improve their view of trustworthiness concerning the asset. Assertions are wrapped up with additional information into a digitally signed entity called a claim.

Re: Roc Camera

#209
Fantastic idea, I'm sure there will be more such devices and a big market for them. Note to the company: please check the scrolling on Firefox (macOS), it's a little weird.

Re: Roc Camera

#210

I used to be really (really really) into photography. I respect anyone working hard on a physical product, but this misses the mark on every front I can think of. The real issue that photographers grapple with, emotionally and financially, is that pictures have become so thoroughly commodified that nobody assigns them cultural value anymore. They are the thumbnail you see before the short video clip starts playing. N…

> Nobody has ever walked past a photograph because they can't inspect its digital authenticity hash

That the average person hasn't thought about this doesn't mean it couldn't become a thing in the future. People do value authenticity and genuine things, though I agree the particulars aren't relevant in a lot of cases.

This is a (very expensive!) toy camera, but I could see traditional camera companies like Fujifilm, Canon, etc, incorporating this tech later down the line.

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