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Re: Roc Camera

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Post by dghlsakjg »

seg_lol wrote: post #61
JKCalhoun wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love my medium format film cameras. I think everyone interested in photography should try it. Yashicas (just as an example of a company that made good medium format film cameras) are surprisingly affordable on eBay. I've had good luck buying from Japan, FWIW.

With the tariffs this is no longer possible for US persons.

Huh?

Tariffs shouldn’t prevent buying stuff, you just have to, y’know, pay a tariff on import.

In this case, a Japanese made camera will incur a 15% tariff.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by noduerme »

It's wild that it's already come to this: The camera itself becomes more important as the instrument to provide zero-trust proof.

This is a brilliant solution to one of the most critical emergent problems. I can see a world where no digital image can be trusted if it doesn't come with a hash.

There is also something called "film" which might be a retro answer to this problem.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by noduerme »

nixpulvis wrote: post #38
modeless wrote: post #31

Seems to me that a camera like this is necessarily, at least in part, a closed system that blocks you from controlling the software or hardware on the device you supposedly own. It's hard for me to think this is a good direction. And as others have pointed out, it can't prevent attacks through the analog hole, e.g. photographing a display. It's not feasible or desirable for our hardware devices to verify the informat…

I don't think reputation gets you that far alone, we already live in a world where misinformation spreads like wildfire through follower counts and page ranks. The problem is quality takes time, and therefore loses relevance. We need a way to break people out of their own human nature and reward delayed gratification by teaching critical thinking skills and promoting thoughtfulness. I sadly don't see an exciting tech…

Why can't posting a verifiably true image create as much or more instant gratification as sending a fake one? It will probably be more gratifying, once everyone is sending fake ones and yours is the only real one (if people can know that).

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by beeflet »

wilg wrote: post #43

There's simply no technical solution to authenticating photographs as far as I can tell. The only real solution I can think of is just to have multiple independent parties photograph the same event and use social trust. Luckily this solution is getting easier now that almost everyone is generally no further than 3 feet away from multiple cameras.

you know what grinds my gears? The fact that it takes 2 seconds for the android camera app to open, even when I use the shortcut on the lock screen. It's a step backwards from point-and-shoot cameras.

I was trying to take a picture of a gecko the other day, and it missed half of the event while the app was loading.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by grumpy-de-sre »

october8140 wrote: post #67
peteforde wrote: post #62

I used to be really (really really) into photography. I respect anyone working hard on a physical product, but this misses the mark on every front I can think of. The real issue that photographers grapple with, emotionally and financially, is that pictures have become so thoroughly commodified that nobody assigns them cultural value anymore. They are the thumbnail you see before the short video clip starts playing. N…

The biggest lie capitalism tells us is that something only has value if it can be sold.

Or just maybe free markets expose the bitter truth. That can take a lot of self reflection to come to terms with. Applies to a lot of aspects to life, eg. career planning, creative endeavors etc.

But at the same time it's true that some vital public activities aren't rewarded by the system atm. Eg. quality journalism, family rearing, open source, etc. Often that's an issue of privatized costs and socialized rewards. Finding a way to correct for this is a really big deal.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by philipswood »

Gigachad wrote: post #21
keyle wrote: post #9

This is rather expensive for what looks like a home 3D printed toy with some cute software. Other than that it's a 16MP Sony CMOS, I'd expect a pretty noisy picture... How do I get my photos off the camera? Coming soon. We're working on export functionality to get your photos off the camera. It would be more interesting if the software was open source.

It wouldn't work at all as open source since you could just modify the source to sign your AI generated pictures.

One could design a toolchain that posts a hashed signed version of the source used to produce a signed binary. Build and deploy what you want and if you want people to trust it and opt in then it is publicly available.

In this case you get the signature and it confirms the device and links to a tamper proof snapshot of the code used to build its firmware.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by sciencejerk »

injidup wrote: post #68
prmoustache wrote: post #63

If you are taking the photo yourself, you know where they come from. While would you need signed pictures to prove that?

When rocking your Meta, Ray Ban, MacDonalds, Tesla XR AR 0009fNG plus Reality engine contact lense inplants it will be important to cross reference your experiences with what really happened.

Yep this is coming soon. You'll be required to own and operate wearables to participate in the social web, or post photos anywhere.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by m00x »

The Pi4 is extremely overpowered for this application. This looks like a rushed product from an SF brainfart with no engineering behind it.
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