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"If people in the U.S. aren’t suspicious of free money, PayPal payments that look fake, the absence of a payment in their account, fake emails from PayPal’s FBI department or just Nigerians in general, then they deserve to have their money taken from them." I could easily see my parents falling for this. I don't think they deserve to have their money taken. Although, to be fair, I doubt my parents could set up and us…

God help us if the scammers ever find someone who can write correct English. I know many people get caught by these scams, and I suspect that the numbers would increase if the wording was improved a bit. There's a metaphor about conversions and copy-writing and startups in there somewhere.

The problem for the scammers is the response rate is too high. The scammer has to invest time into writing back to the target, so they don't want to spend all day writing letters back.

By peppering the letters with bad spelling, punctuation and case mistakes, they eliminate 99.5% of the population who correctly detect it as a scam. Thus, when they do get a response, the person is much more likely to convert.

It applies to startups if signing up the customer requires cost on the part of the startup. If, for whatever reason, you had to sign up a limited number of people and invest time in each of those people, then reducing your response rate by, say, making the signup process complicated, would allow you to pre-qualify your audience by those actually able to navigate their way through it.

It would have real applicability if you wanted to get a limited market for beta testing.

Re: Nigerian scammer gets a laptop from me

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very first paragraph of the Wikipedia page: "Nigerian scams (also called Nigerian 419 scams), are a type of advance fee fraud and one of the most common types of confidence frauds in which the victim is defrauded for monetary gain.". The scam the blog author describes is not of this type. Nigerian scam refers specifically to the type of scam where people want your help "transfering large sums of money out of their co…

The particular incident that triggered the first use of the word "Nigeria" on the page in question was being fake-sent $500 instead of $400. This is a sign of a common variant of the scam, where extra fake-money is sent, and then the fake-buyer asks for a partial refund (see the Variants section of the Wikipedia page, particularly the first paragraph under "Online sales and rentals".) The scam eventually took a diffe…

The problem is that most of Nigerians that Americans know (through Internet) - are scammers.

Even though most of Nigerians are not scamers.

Re: Nigerian scammer gets a laptop from me

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post #113

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If Alice can prove it's her laptop, Bob has to give it back.

This might be dependent on the country in which the transaction takes place. Under some circumstances, if Bob believes that the laptop is now his, it actually is his property in some legislations.

Correct.

For instance in the Netherlands if you believe the person selling you the item has the right to sell it to you // perform that transaction, its yours. (The so called 'Vertrouwensbeginsel')

The only way for Alice to get her money back would be by going after the scammer, because he did not do his part of his deal with her(paying).

Re: Nigerian scammer gets a laptop from me

#125

"If people in the U.S. aren’t suspicious of free money, PayPal payments that look fake, the absence of a payment in their account, fake emails from PayPal’s FBI department or just Nigerians in general, then they deserve to have their money taken from them." I could easily see my parents falling for this. I don't think they deserve to have their money taken. Although, to be fair, I doubt my parents could set up and us…

> I could easily see my parents falling for this.

Sometime in the mid '90s, not long after my dad got email, I decided to warn him about Nigerian scams.

Instead, he ended up telling me about how these these kind of scams started popping out of the first fax machine he turned on, back in the early '80s.

Re: Nigerian scammer gets a laptop from me

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This is what I was expecting as well. It would be an interesting study into what happens when you 'fall' for one of these scams, although most likely this laptop was sent to a legitimate buyer as part of a larger scam, detailed by ben1040 here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4566587

Im in! would someone please create a kickstarter project like that? Goal: $400 for mediocre laptop and shipping cost to Nigeria. $1: you get a photoshots in 5 sec intervals from the moment laptop comes online. $10: you get a life video-feed from the moment the laptop comes online.

I wouldn't bother with the kickstarter project. $400+shipping is relatively cheap, and the exposure/blog material/research potential is worth that cost, for the right person.

(There is of course, the risk that the recipients are wise enough to isolate and wipe it before it has a chance to phone home.)

Re: Nigerian scammer gets a laptop from me

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How different people treat the post privacy problem. So far (I hope) no pictures of my son have made it into the internet. Not even Facebook - although I suppose some web mail accounts are unavoidable.

Others post pictures of their kid playing pranks on gangsters on their blog.

Re: Nigerian scammer gets a laptop from me

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post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be dependent on the country in which the transaction takes place. Under some circumstances, if Bob believes that the laptop is now his, it actually is his property in some legislations.

Correct. For instance in the Netherlands if you believe the person selling you the item has the right to sell it to you // perform that transaction, its yours. (The so called 'Vertrouwensbeginsel') The only way for Alice to get her money back would be by going after the scammer, because he did not do his part of his deal with her(paying).

It should be noted that the belief should fall within reason.

So if something about the transaction is completely and obviously fishy, i.e. 'you should have known something was wrong'. Then its impossible to invoke the 'vertrouwensbeginsel'.

Re: Nigerian scammer gets a laptop from me

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post #10

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> Even a good high school friend of mine who never got very good at computers (he's a butcher) fell for a Nigerian scam. Please don't insult butchers. Not falling for a Nigerian scam has nothing to do with "[being] good at computers". It requires nothing more than the level-headed application of logic and reason.

I think you're reading the quote wrong. It could just as easily have been written thusly: > Even a good high school friend of mine who never got very good at computers (he doesn't work with or in tech) fell for a Nigerian scam.

Still don't think it has anything to do with working in tech, it's common sense.
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