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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by EdwardDiego »

froobius wrote: post #62

Stuff like this feels like some company has managed to monetize an open source object detection model like YOLO [1], creating something that could be cobbled together relatively easily, and then sold it as advance AI capabilities. (You'd hope they've have at least fine-tuned it / have a good training dataset.) We've got a model out there now that we've just seen has put someone's life at risk... Does anyone apart fro…

And it feels like they missed the "human in the loop" bit. One day this company is likely to find itself on the end of a wrongful death lawsuit.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by 15155 »

adam12 wrote: post #176

This is what we get instead of reasonable gun control laws.

You're free to (attempt to) amend the Second Amendment, but the Supreme Court of the United States has already affirmed and reaffirmed that individual ownership of firearms in common use is a right.

What do you propose that is "reasonable" given the frameworks established by Heller, McDonald, Caetano, and Bruen?

I can 3D print or mill basically every item you can imagine prohibiting at home: what exactly do laws do in this case?

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by mothballed »

wat10000 wrote: post #185
spankibalt wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "On the other hand, if you call in the cops and there wasn't a gun, you're fine." Yeah, cause cops have never shot somebody unarmed. And you can bet your ass that the possible follow-up lawsuit to such a debacle's got "your" name on it.

Good luck suing somebody for calling the police.

Reports on child welfare, it is often illegal to release the name of the tipster. Commonly taken advantage of by disgruntled exes or in custody dusputes.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by adaml_623 »

SoftTalker wrote: post #188
lelandfe wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was swatted once. Girlfriend's house. Someone called 911 and said they'd seen me kill a neighbor, drag their body into the house, and was now holding my gf's family hostage. We answered the screams at the door to guns pointed at our faces, and countless cops. It was explained to us that this was the restrained version. We got a knock. Unfortunately, I understand why these responses can't be neutered too much. You j…

Do the cops not ever get tired of being fooled like this? Or do they just enjoy the chance to go out in their army-surplus armored cars and pretend to be special forces?

This is a really good question. Sadly the answer is that they think it's how the system is meant to work. Well that seems to be the answer that I see coming from police spokespeople

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

Inflicting trauma on a harmless human in the name of the "safety of others" is never ok. The victim here was not unharmed, but is likely to end up with PTSD and all the mental health issues that come with it.

I hope they sue the police department over this.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by MisterTea »

lelandfe wrote: post #182
janalsncm wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In any system, there are false positives and false negatives. In some situations (like a high recall disease detection) false negatives are much worse than false positives, because the cost of a false positive is a more rigorous screening. But in this case both are bad. If it was a false negative students might need therapy for a more tragic reason. Aside from improving the quality of the detection model, we should t…

I was swatted once. Girlfriend's house. Someone called 911 and said they'd seen me kill a neighbor, drag their body into the house, and was now holding my gf's family hostage. We answered the screams at the door to guns pointed at our faces, and countless cops. It was explained to us that this was the restrained version. We got a knock. Unfortunately, I understand why these responses can't be neutered too much. You j…

Happened to a friend of mine by an ex GF who said he was on psych meds (true though he is nonviolent with no history) and that he was threatening to kill his parents. NYPD SWAT no-knock kicked the door down to his apartment which terrorized his elderly parents as they pointed guns at their son (in his words, "machine guns".) BUT because he has psych issues and on meds he was forced into a cop car in front of the whole neighborhood to get a psych evaluation. He only received an apology from the cops who said they have no choice but to follow procedure.

edit should add sorry to hear that.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by MisterTea »

adaml_623 wrote: post #195
SoftTalker wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do the cops not ever get tired of being fooled like this? Or do they just enjoy the chance to go out in their army-surplus armored cars and pretend to be special forces?

This is a really good question. Sadly the answer is that they think it's how the system is meant to work. Well that seems to be the answer that I see coming from police spokespeople

Its likely procedure that they have to follow (see my other post in this thread.)

I hate to say this but I get it. Imagine a scenario happens where they decide "sounds phony. stand down." only for it to be real and people are hurt/killed because the "cops ignored our pleas for help and did nothing." which would be a horrible mistake they could be liable for, never mind the media circus and PR damage. So they treat all scenarios as real and figure it out after they knock/kick in the door.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by NackerHughes »

actionfromafar wrote: post #143
random3 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s actually “AI swarmed” since no human reasoning, only execution, was exerted - basically have an AI directing resources.

Reverse Centaur. MANNA.

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