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Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by genwin »

gnaritas wrote: post #139
waterlesscloud wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The retailer does no owe sales tax to the state, you do as a citizen of that state. You, not the retailer, are legally obligated to report your purchases and pay the tax.

I never said the retailer owed taxes to the state. And as I said, taxing online sales is a currently hot issue and relying on voluntary compliance of consumers isn't going to cut it and every state knows that. This is completely irrelevant anyway, I reject any assertion that failing to pay taxes due (often out of ignorance) on internet purchases is in any way comparable to deceiving your employer and co-workers by ly…

You're rationalizing. It's tax evasion, a crime, regardless of ignorance. Many states have a simple online form for it. That it's voluntary doesn't make a difference; paying property taxes is also voluntary for people who own their homes. These facts are highly relevant: when you're a tax scofflaw it's best not to point fingers at those merely lying.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by dredmorbius »

drumdance wrote: post #64
dredmorbius wrote: post #55

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Your example provides its own counterexample. The same individual has encountered persistent questioning over the specifics of his birthplace, despite ample documentation substantiating his claims. How information is interpreted depends very much on who's interpreting it and what their objectives are. Hiring processes are notoriously opaque. Corporations are, very literally, machines for creating one-way flows of lia…

Perhaps, but it's hard to imagine private-citizen Obama not getting hired because of his birth certificate.

It's far too easy to imagine private-citizen Obama not getting hired because of his birth certificate, legally, as recently as 1964.

There's a credible case to be made that much of the present opposition he faces stems from the same root cause.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by gnaritas »

genwin wrote: post #141
gnaritas wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never said the retailer owed taxes to the state. And as I said, taxing online sales is a currently hot issue and relying on voluntary compliance of consumers isn't going to cut it and every state knows that. This is completely irrelevant anyway, I reject any assertion that failing to pay taxes due (often out of ignorance) on internet purchases is in any way comparable to deceiving your employer and co-workers by ly…

You're rationalizing. It's tax evasion, a crime, regardless of ignorance. Many states have a simple online form for it. That it's voluntary doesn't make a difference; paying property taxes is also voluntary for people who own their homes. These facts are highly relevant: when you're a tax scofflaw it's best not to point fingers at those merely lying.

No I'm not rationalizing, I'm stating my opinion about the morality of the issue. And you're making yet another irrelevant and bad comparison, property taxes are generally rolled into a mortgage and you are given a bill for the taxes due. You're grasping at straws.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by genwin »

gnaritas wrote: post #143
genwin wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're rationalizing. It's tax evasion, a crime, regardless of ignorance. Many states have a simple online form for it. That it's voluntary doesn't make a difference; paying property taxes is also voluntary for people who own their homes. These facts are highly relevant: when you're a tax scofflaw it's best not to point fingers at those merely lying.

No I'm not rationalizing, I'm stating my opinion about the morality of the issue. And you're making yet another irrelevant and bad comparison, property taxes are generally rolled into a mortgage and you are given a bill for the taxes due. You're grasping at straws.

People who own their homes don't have mortgages. They pay their property taxes on their own initiative, the same as the honest people paying their use taxes.

You've stated your opinion about morality all right. You think it's okay to be a scofflaw (definition: "a person who flouts the law, esp. by failing to comply with a law that is difficult to enforce effectively"), even for tax evasion. Yet you'd look down your nose at someone lying to make ends meet. Tsk tsk!

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by gnaritas »

genwin wrote: post #144
gnaritas wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I'm not rationalizing, I'm stating my opinion about the morality of the issue. And you're making yet another irrelevant and bad comparison, property taxes are generally rolled into a mortgage and you are given a bill for the taxes due. You're grasping at straws.

People who own their homes don't have mortgages. They pay their property taxes on their own initiative, the same as the honest people paying their use taxes. You've stated your opinion about morality all right. You think it's okay to be a scofflaw (definition: "a person who flouts the law, esp. by failing to comply with a law that is difficult to enforce effectively"), even for tax evasion. Yet you'd look down your n…

No you can't move the goalpost; were talking about lying to raise social status and get ahead, not lying to make ends meet. It's clear you're not capable of an honest conversation, good day.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by genwin »

gnaritas wrote: post #145
genwin wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who own their homes don't have mortgages. They pay their property taxes on their own initiative, the same as the honest people paying their use taxes. You've stated your opinion about morality all right. You think it's okay to be a scofflaw (definition: "a person who flouts the law, esp. by failing to comply with a law that is difficult to enforce effectively"), even for tax evasion. Yet you'd look down your n…

No you can't move the goalpost; were talking about lying to raise social status and get ahead, not lying to make ends meet. It's clear you're not capable of an honest conversation, good day.

Even lying to raise social status and get ahead is better than cheating on your taxes, according to the law.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by gnaritas »

genwin wrote: post #146
gnaritas wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you can't move the goalpost; were talking about lying to raise social status and get ahead, not lying to make ends meet. It's clear you're not capable of an honest conversation, good day.

Even lying to raise social status and get ahead is better than cheating on your taxes, according to the law.

Law and morals are vastly different things; sad that you confuse the two.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by genwin »

gnaritas wrote: post #147
genwin wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even lying to raise social status and get ahead is better than cheating on your taxes, according to the law.

Law and morals are vastly different things; sad that you confuse the two.

It's the opposite. Obama, the chief enforcer of laws in our country, said "Our law is by definition a codification of morality." Lying is legal when society deems the lies to be acceptable or not wrong enough. Tax evasion, however, is considered to be morally wrong by society, hence it's illegal.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by DanBC »

danielweber wrote: post #131
DanBC wrote: post #58

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> Bumping your college degree by 5 years in order to seem 5 years younger is, in my opinion, ethically OK No. Not only is it lying, which is obviously not acceptable, but it is pandering to discriminatory attitudes. It is not legal to discriminate based on age when employing people in the UK, and thus it should be pointless to lie about age.

It is not legal to discriminate based on age when employing people in the UK, and thus it should be pointless to lie about age. Yeah, we more or less have that in the US, too. (The details matter for specific cases, but not for general discussions.) Yet, we still have people posting job offers like this, which demands you have gotten your PhD in the past two years. http://parezcoydigo.wordpress.com/2012/09/10/old-phd…

You're right. It's very easy for me to say "Don't pass, don't use a 'white' name." I live in a country with good laws, and quangos intent on upholding those laws, and free legal advice for people who feel they're being discriminated against. And yet it's still a problem.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by gnaritas »

genwin wrote: post #148
gnaritas wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Law and morals are vastly different things; sad that you confuse the two.

It's the opposite. Obama, the chief enforcer of laws in our country, said "Our law is by definition a codification of morality." Lying is legal when society deems the lies to be acceptable or not wrong enough. Tax evasion, however, is considered to be morally wrong by society, hence it's illegal.

Still grasping at straws I see, now it's argument from authority, any more fallacies you want to throw out. Laws are not morals, illegal does not mean immoral nor does legal mean moral and I don't care who you quote, you're wrong and they're wrong.
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