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Look, Another AI Browser

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Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by bitpush »

MYEUHD wrote: post #72
bigyabai wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Play Store services are not a critical open source project, though. The AOSP is still intact and maintained in accordance with the licensing. The application signing backtrack is an issue, but more of a political problem than a technical one. America's lesson here has been written on the wall for years: regulate your tech businesses, or your tech businesses will regulate you.

Where is the source code for AOSP 16 QPR1? Where are the security patches of the past couple of months?

What is QPR?

Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by reassess_blind »

binarymax wrote: post #85
tehryanx wrote: post #42

Rolling your own browser is 10x more dangerous than rolling your own auth or crypto. Building on top of chromium is a good thing here.

I think the point is: why is OpenAI wasting its time on this? If it's just another channel for billing tokens then OK I guess, but it's not like it's a huge breakthrough. OpenAI should be the roads, not the trucks. Let other product teams sort out the AI browsers. OpenAI has lots of problems to solve related to models and thats where they should focus. This is a side quest.

Because the models are stagnating.

Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by qustrolabe »

Okay if author so ignorant and doesn't even see difference and just genuinely hates this topic why even make an article? "Look see this new things someone else exited about, I don't give a damn about it so much that I'll write post about that, I'll even completely ignore figuring out what's different about it myself and just spew some surface level ignorant overview"

Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by harrisoned »

ihorcher wrote: post #89

This could be a legal loophole to scrape all the data from websites that block you directly. Your users will grab all the data for themselves and you just put some telemetry here and there and here we go, we scrape all the web without even using our own IPs

That's exactly what i think it is. Have a legion of users willingly scraping the internet for you, going behind captchas, logins, and all the mechanisms that was put there to stop bots. With this every user user of the browser is also a bot. Now i wonder if the agent string will be something unique, and certain places will just block those browsers from their websites by it.

Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by yogorenapan »

jimbokun wrote: post #53
thelastgallon wrote: post #19

So, Atlas, Comet, Edge, Dia, Brave, Opera, etc are all Chromium. And any browser on iOS uses the safari engine under the hood? Looks like we are down to two browsers.

First, Chromium is also based on WebKit so that means really only one browser engine. Second, I imagine so many web sites and web applications have, knowingly or unknowingly, made themselves dependent on WebKit or Chromium specific behavior, it's almost impossible to write a new browser compatible with all (or even most) of the web.

Chromium is Blink and whatever common ancestor they share has diverged much over the past decade

Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by yunyu »

binarymax wrote: post #85
tehryanx wrote: post #42

Rolling your own browser is 10x more dangerous than rolling your own auth or crypto. Building on top of chromium is a good thing here.

I think the point is: why is OpenAI wasting its time on this? If it's just another channel for billing tokens then OK I guess, but it's not like it's a huge breakthrough. OpenAI should be the roads, not the trucks. Let other product teams sort out the AI browsers. OpenAI has lots of problems to solve related to models and thats where they should focus. This is a side quest.

It’s good for collecting a lot of computer use trajectory data

Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by d3Xt3r »

labrador wrote: post #50

> Yesterday, OpenAI announced Atlas, its AI browser. To the surprise of literally nobody, it’s Chromium with AI slapped on top. Perplexity also has a browser: it’s called Comet, and it also is Chromium with AI slapped on top. Then we have DIA, which is, you guessed it, Chromium with AI slapped on top. I think Opera also has one of those Chromium browsers with AI slapped on top. The interesting thing is what they "sla…

> Chromium is an industry wide open source project like linux for good reason

That "good" reason is thanks to Google's monopoly. Chromium is only technically opensource, it's still very much a Google project that's steered by them, ocassionally trying to sneak in anti-features like Web Environment Integrity, Manifest V3 etc.

> We're at an interesting point in browser development

Yes but that's only because of projects like LadyBird and Servo, but unfortunately they're still at a very early stage. The best we can do for web diversity is to boycott all Chromium-based browsers and support smaller projects like Ladybird and Servo (and use Gecko-based browsers in the interim).

Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by horseradish7k »

thyristan wrote: post #69
bengoodger wrote: post #10

Genuinely curious - what do people want to see from a new/different rendering engine? The web is crazy complex these days because it is an entire app platform. The incentive for anyone building a browser is to use the platform that gives you the best web compat especially at the outset when you don’t have enough users of your app to be able to make big changes to the platform. Even Chrome didn’t start from scratch -…

> Genuinely curious - what do people want to see from a new/different rendering engine? It should be fast when rendering HTML/CSS. I don't really care about JavaScript performance, because where possible I switch it off anyways. It should be customizable and configurable, more than Firefox was before Electrolysis and certainly much more than Chrome. It should support addons that can change, override, mangle, basicall…

> I don't really care about JavaScript performance, because where possible I switch it off anyways.

your needs are not the majority's and you know it

Re: Look, Another AI Browser

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Post by jackblemming »

hellotomyrars wrote: post #41
jackblemming wrote: post #18

Why would they build their own browser from scratch? That would be dumb without a significantly compelling reason. The author of this post reminds me of one of those guys who writes an entirely new game engine instead of using an off the shelf product and ends up never completing the game..

Good grief. Developers who use Unity/Unreal/Game Maker/ whatever don’t announce their game as being a revolutionary new tech. The problem isn’t that they made yet another chromium based browser with their garbage on top. The problem is that they’re positioning it as this exciting and radical new thing when it’s just chromium with their garbage on top.

You’re not the target audience for the announcement, but like many people, they probably already know that and just want to be annoyed.

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Post by soraminazuki »

ljm wrote: post #82
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I miss the old days, seeing new tech come out and not immediately wondering how the worst parts of our industry are going to turn it into the torment nexus.

I remember the optimism: Google is launched and it is web directories but…better. It takes a decade to become a monolithic ad-tech company but all is not lost yet, until it becomes the face of enshittification of the entire internet another decade on. Facebook is launched and it’s this cool way to keep in touch with your friends until that too becomes a monolithic ad-tech company a decade later, and soon after become…

I feel the same way, except Facebook had its mask off right from the start. Its precursor was a site that used Zuckerberg's female classmates' photos without permission to rate their attractiveness.

Zuckerberg is also famous for calling Facebook users "dumb f**s" back in the early days of Facebook for entrusting him with all sorts of information.

https://www.theregister.com/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

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